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EV's in deep freeze

MrW

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I can give you some anecdotal evidence:

My son drives a Chevy Volt (a plug in hybrid.) His house does have solar power too. His annual electric bill (year before buying and year after buying his Volt) went up about $150.00, but his annual gasoline bill went down about $4000.00.

Ask yourself, with the advent of computer assistance, and cutting of red tape, how long would it take Bechtel Construction to build a standard design plant on a previously approved site? (My guess about 3 years.)

He should save that gasoline money to pay $30,000 for new batteries in a few years.
 

canadyjd

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He should save that gasoline money to pay $30,000 for new batteries in a few years.
Let’s not exaggerate. Batteries last 5-8 years depending on the climate. New batteries are only 12-15 thousand. Of course, the damage to the environment when they rupture will be significant.

peace to you
 

MrW

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So why have I seen invoices for 26k?

Also, the reason I said 30k, is in 5 to 8 years inflation will make it 30k.

And you seem to think 12k is cheap? I think it’s outrageous.

Don’t forget labor costs.

In eight years he might not even be able to give it away. Who would spend that much money, even on a gift car?
 

Van

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He should save that gasoline money to pay $30,000 for new batteries in a few years.
These are the kind of informationless posts constantly hurled at electrified vehicles. Hybrid batteries last more than 8 years.

Cars like the Toyota Prius Prime (a Plug in Hybrid) have better than average vehicle reliability.

Here is a typical story. Headline "F150 Lightning sales down 46% in Q3 of 2023." Sound like people are turning away from BEV's.
But in the story, we see that actual F150 Lightning sales in 2023 grew by 9%, year over year. What do you expect may happen when Tesla's pick-up hits the market? :)
 

canadyjd

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….
What do you expect may happen when Tesla's pick-up hits the market? :)
I expect more EV’s exploding, more buyers remorse, more damage to the environment and….. MOST IMPORTANTLY…..

….more children dying in African and Chinese mines gathering the ore to make the EV’s so folks in the west, deceived by the lie of global climate change, can virtue signal what great people they are….

that is what I expect.

peace to you
 
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MrW

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These are the kind of informationless posts constantly hurled at electrified vehicles. Hybrid batteries last more than 8 years.

Cars like the Toyota Prius Prime (a Plug in Hybrid) have better than average vehicle reliability.

Here is a typical story. Headline "F150 Lightning sales down 46% in Q3 of 2023." Sound like people are turning away from BEV's.
But in the story, we see that actual F150 Lightning sales in 2023 grew by 9%, year over year. What do you expect may happen when Tesla's pick-up hits the market? :)


Let’s check back in eight years and see who was informationless.
 

Van

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Let’s check back in eight years and see who was informationless.

Not only do those invested in selling support (i.e. gas, plugs, antifreeze) but all those Union workers needed to produce the fossil fueled dinosaurs also have an ax to grind. :)
 

canadyjd

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Not only do those invested in selling support (i.e. gas, plugs, antifreeze) but all those Union workers needed to produce the fossil fueled dinosaurs also have an ax to grind. :)
Yeah, that’s why all those folks in Chicago that had to abandon EV’s that couldn’t charge called their friends with “fossil fuel dinosaurs” for a ride.

peace to you
 
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Van

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Yeah, that’s why all those folks in Chicago that had to abandon EV’s that couldn’t charge called their friends with “fossil fuel dinosaurs” for a ride.

peace to you
The day is coming where vehicle to home connections will provide power for those in need...
 

MrW

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Not only do those invested in selling support (i.e. gas, plugs, antifreeze) but all those Union workers needed to produce the fossil fueled dinosaurs also have an ax to grind. :)

They will still have to produce fossil fuel of the dinosaurs to run the power plants that charge the batteries of the EVs.
 

Van

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They will still have to produce fossil fuel of the dinosaurs to run the power plants that charge the batteries of the EVs.
The electrical power grid cannot handle that much load.

Many EV owners will add solar power roof installations to their homes, thus off-setting an increase in their electric energy demand. Yes, we need more energy from natural gas, nuclear, and renewables like solar.

And as far as needing more fossil fuel for the electricity to power BEV's, the equation needs to include the reduction in fossil fuel usage due to the removal of a fossil fueled gasoline engine from the demand side.
 

canadyjd

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The day is coming where vehicle to home connections will provide power for those in need...
Yeah, in about 30 years, maybe. That will be about the same all the current batteries start exploding, spewing dangerous toxins into the air and ground and water supplies.

Then, all the virtue signaling kings and queens will be spinning in circles… they don’t care about the child slave labor and deaths to make their cars, but when they see the environmental destruction, then they be in a frenzy…

…. I can hear them now… “I had good intentions!… I had good intentions?”

peace to you
 

Van

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Yeah, in about 30 years, maybe. That will be about the same all the current batteries start exploding, spewing dangerous toxins into the air and ground and water supplies.

Then, all the virtue signaling kings and queens will be spinning in circles… they don’t care about the child slave labor and deaths to make their cars, but when they see the environmental destruction, then they be in a frenzy…

…. I can hear them now… “I had good intentions!… I had good intentions?”

peace to you
Science fiction postulates a future where what will not happen, happens.

Will roof top solar power become a common if not code required feature of new homes?
Will BEV's powered by 100 KWh LFP batteries become popular?
Or will Vacuum Tubes make a comeback?

Image your garage without an oil leak mess.
 

canadyjd

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Science fiction postulates a future where what will not happen, happens.

Will roof top solar power become a common if not code required feature of new homes?
Will BEV's powered by 100 KWh LFP batteries become popular?
Or will Vacuum Tubes make a comeback?

Image your garage without an oil leak mess.
Imagine an EV that doesn’t take hours to charge. Imagine an EV battery not built on the backs of child slave labor in Africa and China. Imagine an EV battery that won’t explode, dumping toxins into the ground, air, water…

You are correct… that is science fiction. Maybe it will happen in the future, but living in reality today, EV’s are built in the backs of child slave labor, they take hours to charge, they WILL explode (literally like every battery ever made explodes eventually,) AND they are unnecessary because there is NO global climate change.

peace to you
 
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Van

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Imagine an EV that doesn’t take hours to charge. Imagine an EV battery not built on the backs of child slave labor in Africa and China. Imagine an EV battery that won’t explode, dumping toxins into the ground, air, water…

You are correct… that is science fiction. Maybe it will happen in the future, but living in reality today, EV’s are built in the backs of child slave labor, they take hours to charge, they WILL explode (literally like every battery ever made explodes eventually,) AND they are unnecessary because there is NO global climate change.

peace to you

On and on, the fictional flaws are flung to block the road to truth.

Do we have to image a Tesla equipped with a LFP battery? Nope
Do we have to image the materials for those LFP batteries do have rare earth metals mined by children? Nope
Do we have to image gas tanks exploding or burning far more often than batteries? Nope
Do we have to image exhaust air pollution contributing to life shortening and life ending disease? Nope
 

MrW

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Let the free market choose.

Most people will choose the ICE (internal combustion engine) over the EV (electric vehicle) after considering the pros and cons of each, regarding their own needs according to the demands of their individual lifestyles.

Some may drive 20 miles a day. An EV or hybrid may be their choice. Those who drive much more may prefer the ICE.

Needs differ. Don’t mandate conformity to a one-size-fits-all mindset. Allow people to CHOOSE for themselves and the market will level out to production each year of the amount of each needed. Right now, car makers are losing billions of dollars because government is trying to force EV’s onto people and people are not buying them in the numbers being produced.

It’s good sense for everyone.
 

canadyjd

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On and on, the fictional flaws are flung to block the road to truth.

Do we have to image a Tesla equipped with a LFP battery? Nope
Do we have to image the materials for those LFP batteries do have rare earth metals mined by children? Nope
Do we have to image gas tanks exploding or burning far more often than batteries? Nope
Do we have to image exhaust air pollution contributing to life shortening and life ending disease? Nope
What is your source for gas tanks spontaneously exploding more often than EV batteries?

Are EV batteries built from the efforts of child slave in Africa and China? Absolutely, well documented… nobody made it up but EV supporters do not care about these children.

Do EV batteries spontaneously explode releasing toxic materials into the air, ground, water? Absolutely, well documented but EV supporters do not care about the environment.

Yes, that is the truth! But some cannot accept it and will deny the truth and make excuses for EV’s reign of horror upon the earth.

peace to you
 
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Van

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What is your source for gas tanks spontaneously exploding more often than EV batteries?

Are EV batteries built from the efforts of child slave in Africa and China? Absolutely, well documented… nobody made it up but EV supporters do not care about these children.

Do EV batteries spontaneously explode releasing toxic materials into the air, ground, water? Absolutely, well documented but EV supporters do not care about the environment.

Yes, that is the truth! But some cannot accept it and will deny the truth and make excuses for EV’s reign of horror upon the earth.

peace to you
One unsupported false claim after another seems all you have to offer.
LFP batteries contain no cobalt.
Tesla, which makes more than half of the electric vehicles sold in the U.S., reports five car fires per billion miles driven, compared with 55 fires per billion miles driven in gas-powered cars.
Thus there is no need for anyone to image "...gas tanks exploding or burning far more often than batteries?"
 
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