Exhaustive Foreknowledge

[Van]

So was Jesus no longer God when he stated did not know?

According to your false doctrine? You are the person who claims if God does not know everything imaginable He is not God. Talk about a tautology.

God said "now I know" indicating He had chosen not to know beforehand.
Scripture says Jesus knows all yet did not know the time of His return, so the all refers to all of whatever is contextually in view, not everything imaginable.

 

[JesusFan]

According to your false doctrine? You are the person who claims if God does not know everything imaginable He is not God. Talk about a tautology.

God said "now I know" indicating He had chosen not to know beforehand.
Scripture says Jesus knows all yet did not know the time of His return, so the all refers to all of whatever is contextually in view, not everything imaginable.

That is God speaking forth to us in human terms and understanding Van, did the Lord lose sight of Adam and forgot where he really was in the garden then "Adam where are you?"

 

[Van]

That is God speaking forth to us in human terms and understanding Van, did the Lord lose sight of Adam and forgot where he really was in the garden then "Adam where are you?"

The wholesale denial of God's ability to learn, and to forget is an outright denial of God's omnipotence. Full Stop

Did I address God asking Adam if Adam had crossed the red line God had set before Him? Nope

 

[37818]

God said "now I know" indicating He had chosen not to know beforehand.

The Son of God per John 1:18. In Genesis 22:12.

 

[MrW]

Hi Nolan,

Great topic for discussion!

Let me respond to just one of the verses you cited.

In the Greek, the text reads "...and knows all." Every translation in English I looked at renders "all" as either "all things" or "everything." Neither of these translation choices is based on context, but on an attribute of God, as knowing everything. This is false. Jesus did not know when He would return, yet was said to "know all things" again adding "things" to "all" to insert an attribute thought to be God's. (John 21:17)

Anytime we see "all" (pas) in the text we should ask the question "all of what?" God knows all about the individuals He interacts with, such as Peter, or those who love God. In 1 John 3:20 God knows our thoughts and deeds, and since God does not condemn us, we should not either.

A better translation choice, pointing to whatever the context is referring to, is "all these things."

One final point, you referred to God "predicting the future." God does not predict the future, He declares what will happen, and then makes whatever was declared happen by intervening as necessary. When scripture says something happens "according to the "foreknowledge of God" a better translation would be according to God's implementation of God's predetermined plan.

Foreknowledge refers (in scripture) to knowledge formulated or acquired in the past being utilized in the present.

Jesus’ knowledge was veiled during His incarnation on Earth. He’s back in Heaven, glorified, and He has full understanding again.

 

[MrW]

The wholesale denial of God's ability to learn, and to forget is an outright denial of God's omnipotence. Full Stop

Did I address God asking Adam if Adam had crossed the red line God had set before Him? Nope

When God asks you something, it’s NOT because He’s looking for information—He’s giving you opportunity to be honest snd confess.
Read Psalm 139. He knows what you’re going to say before you can say it.

 

[JesusFan]

When God asks you something, it’s NOT because He’s looking for information—He’s giving you opportunity to be honest snd confess.
Read Psalm 139. He knows what you’re going to say before you can say it.

Job agrees with you on this, as he found out that God never needed his counsel nor to be informed about anything?

 

[JesusFan]

Jesus’ knowledge was veiled during His incarnation on Earth. He’s back in Heaven, glorified, and He has full understanding again.

Jesus in a very unique position, as while in Human Flesh, as per paul in Philippians, agreed to accept human limitations, and unlike Father or Holy Spirit , agree to a temp subordination while upon earth and decide not to know

 

[Van]

Jesus’ knowledge was veiled during His incarnation on Earth. He’s back in Heaven, glorified, and He has full understanding again.

Jesus was said to know all during His incarnation. Thus to "Know all" does not mean to know everything imaginable. Duh

 

[Van]

When God asks you something, it’s NOT because He’s looking for information—He’s giving you opportunity to be honest snd confess.
Read Psalm 139. He knows what you’re going to say before you can say it.

You should have addressed this post to JesusFan.

 

[MrW]

You should have addressed this post to JesusFan.

JesusFan already knows it.

 

[JesusFan]

Jesus was said to know all during His incarnation. Thus to "Know all" does not mean to know everything imaginable. Duh

Jesus always knew all things exhaustively in his Deity, but also chose to be limited in His humanity

 

[JesusFan]

You should have addressed this post to JesusFan.

So van, did God losse connection with Adam and Eve in the Garden, and had to ask them for directions?

 

[Van]

JesusFan already knows it.

Yes, JesusFan claims Jesus knew the time of His return. And that when God said "now I know" He did not actually mean He did not know already.

Doctrines that require nullification of verse after verse are bogus. Inherit Omniscience is the Biblical Doctrine of Divine Knowledge, Infinite Omniscience is the mistaken doctrine of the unstudied. When we study scripture and come across "all" (Greek "pas") it does not refer to everything imaginable, but only to all of whatever is in view contextually. This is not rocket science.

 

[Van]

Jesus always knew all things exhaustively in his Deity, but also chose to be limited in His humanity

Fiction, Jesus was God incarnate, He possessed all the fullness of God, including knowing all about those He encountered, such as His disciples.

So van, did God losse connection with Adam and Eve in the Garden, and had to ask them for directions?

So JesusFan, why not address how I answered this duplicative question in my earlier post. Is you goal obfuscation?

 

[JesusFan]

Yes, JesusFan claims Jesus knew the time of His return. And that we God said "now I know" He did not actually mean He did not know already.

You have to understand the biblical concept of God speaking in bible at human levels and terms in order for us to be able to understand

 

[JesusFan]

Fiction, Jesus was God incarnate, He possessed all the fullness of God, including knowing all about those He encountered, such as His disciples.

So JesusFan, why not address how I answered this duplicative question in my earlier post. Is you goal obfuscation?

Please address post # 133

 

[Van]

Please address post # 133

Not until to quote the my answer already given!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JesusFan]

Yes, JesusFan claims Jesus knew the time of His return. And that when God said "now I know" He did not actually mean He did not know already.

Doctrines that require nullification of verse after verse are bogus. Inherit Omniscience is the Biblical Doctrine of Divine Knowledge, Infinite Omniscience is the mistaken doctrine of the unstudied. When we study scripture and come across "all" (Greek "pas") it does not refer to everything imaginable, but only to all of whatever is in view contextually. This is not rocket science.

What does omniscience mean to you then?

 

[Van]

What does omniscience mean to you then?

I have defined Inherit Omniscience, please quote the definition and then address your view on the doctrine.
Otherwise, your posts are simply an effort at obfuscation.