Featured explain John 10:27-28 from a NON Osas Way!

Do your own work in the verses!

It matters little if it is KJV, NASB, ESV - they are going to essentially be the same. They use a word that indicates time - what we ultimately use to get the word chronology and chronometer

You just refuse to adjust your own perspective, and that is not a typical what psychologically is referred to as "self-serving bias."

Which is why I won't confuse you anymore with the facts that you seem to love the word but have little in the way of applicable understanding at this point.

 

I don't want to push to push it

 

I can.

 

even when the meaning is not clear, and can prove to be against what you believe? Are you Reformed/Calvinistic?

 

Does being reformed/calvinistic have anything to do with it?

I have witness more perverse use of Scriptures from the non cal thinking then from those who embrace the doctrines of Grace.

For example:

Does anyone remember the claim made that repentance comes prior to belief or is a must to in order that God can grant salvation?

 

1. being a Calvinist/Reformed makes a big difference, as they usually have tinted specs that only see things their way

2. The Holy Bible, which is the Word of God, is very clear, when the Lord Jesus Christ, Himself God Incarnate, very clearly says to all of the Gospel of salvation, "and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47)

you will note that Jesus says, that it is REPENTANCE that brings about the FORGIVENESS of sins for the sinner. Without FORGIVENESS, NO sinner can ever be born-again, without REPENTANCE, there can be no FORGIVENESS. Do you suppose that a sinner whose sins are UNFORGIVEN, who simply BELIEVES, can become a true Christian? If so, you are at odds with the God of the Bible. If they cannot, then it follows that this is ONLY possible by REPENTING, that is TURNING AWAY from and REJECTING the old sinful life, and ACCEPTING the salvation in Jesus Christ. This is Holy Bible, anything that teaches otherwise, is plain HERESY.

 

Neither. Mulligan stew.

 

Any you don't? If you are an example of one teachable and wise with understanding, then please demonstrate it, for sometime I have looked and along the way may have overlooked.

So you traveled to Jerusalem to start proclaiming repentance? For if you didn't you have violated your own standard.

But what is more troubling is that you actually think that repentance is the catalyst to forgiveness of sins.

That isn't the Scriptures.

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins is what the Scriptures teach.

Some difficulties in your presentation:
1) I don't know any BB member that does not consider that repentance is not a part and parcel of the experience of conversion.
2) I don't know any reformed even Hyper that does not consider that repentance is not part and parcel of the experience of conversion.
3) I don't know that your definition of repentance is the actual Bible definition. For you seem to place something into it that presents what it is not.

Repentance is not some emotionalism, some pouring out of the sinful heart acknowledgment of sinfulness.

Repentance is merely agreement with God.

In practice, it means that the direction of one's life has been changed from opposing God to walking with God. Such is not accomplished by human effort, and to think that it can be is looking through bias and prejudice which puffs up the human to exalt themselves above God's own authority.

Therefore:
1) The Scriptures state that it is the blood of Christ that was shed for the forgiveness of sins, not some person pleading in repentance.
2) The Scriptures state that salvation (eternal life) is based upon belief. That belief is not based upon repentance, but is based (as Romans 10 shows) upon the Word of God being ALREADY in the heart, and ALREADY in the mouth. The proclamation, that confession, of belief in the Lord Jesus Christ and resurrection is the RESULTS of what has already transformed (converted) that person.
3) Of course there will be repentance, not to get saved, but as a result of having been saved. Just as Paul is an example of one going about even to establish their own righteousness, was turned around by God, and converted by God, and therefore the results were the rest of Paul's days spent walking with God.

 

Of course