Explain to me this....

[Yeshua1]

You are talking about the Triune God. What does it matter to you what I believe in? My statement is not misleading at all.


Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. You're not a Mormon and I am no longer, so what does that matter to you? If you knew much about the history of the books inside the Holy Bible, you won't find anywhere any scripture saying new books could not be written.


Maybe if you read the history on that you might become more enlightened. You're not a Mormon and I am no longer, so what does that matter to you?


Maybe there is and maybe there isn't. You're not a Mormon and I am no longer, so what does that matter to you? If you want to learn more about the Mormons try going to a Mormon church. You will be amazed at how friendly people there are. And, unlike you, non-judgmental, too. Did your pastor ever instruct you to read Matthew 7? Amazing words there, indeed!


Suffice it to say that you are a bully looking for a chance to bully a Mormon. Something you won't do in person, but salivate over online.

Listen up bub- I did not start this thread to start a debate about your church versus the Mormon church. I came here because I am trying to find a church to be part of. You missed that didn't you? You're not the first. Now if we can get back to the original post and my query there, I would certainly appreciate it.

I think that we are just trying to see how you now define terms, as Mormons use the same terminology as we do, but vest them with totally different meanings!

 

[Yeshua1]

Oops, just in the news:

Brigham Young University deletes 'Homosexual Behavior' section from its Honor Code

Struck from the code:

̶H̶o̶m̶o̶s̶e̶x̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶h̶a̶v̶i̶o̶r̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶a̶p̶p̶r̶o̶p̶r̶i̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶v̶i̶o̶l̶a̶t̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶H̶o̶n̶o̶r̶ ̶C̶o̶d̶e̶.̶ ̶H̶o̶m̶o̶s̶e̶x̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶h̶a̶v̶i̶o̶r̶ ̶i̶n̶c̶l̶u̶d̶e̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶s̶e̶x̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶r̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶w̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶m̶e̶m̶b̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶a̶m̶e̶ ̶s̶e̶x̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶m̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶p̶h̶y̶s̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶i̶m̶a̶c̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶r̶e̶s̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶o̶m̶o̶s̶e̶x̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶f̶e̶e̶l̶i̶n̶g̶s̶.̶

This was done "to be in alignment with the doctrine and policies of the Church."

So God told them to now accept it?

 

[Centrist]

I think that we are just trying to see how you now define terms, as Mormons use the same terminology as we do, but vest them with totally different meanings!

No, you're just thumping your bible again, aren't you? Figures as much....

 

[Particular]

No, you're just thumping your bible again, aren't you? Figures as much....

In your OP you state:

I'm looking for a church to call my home church. And so far I"m finding the LDS to be not only more biblical, but more respecting and honorable than the Christian/non-mormon churches, particularly the Baptist & SBC churches.

You have been shown that the LDS is not biblical and now you complain that people are being too...biblical.

It seems you have zero concern for theology and biblical truth while you long for someone to love-bomb you. I have no doubt that Satan love-bombs people better than Christians because Christians tell you the truth while Satan tells you what you want to hear.

God's true sheep will hear his voice and live under His disciplining hand of grace. Those of a different master will listen to the love-bomb of the Mormon cult.

Only God knows who you are listening to, but if you are drawn to Mormonism, you are not drawn to the voice of God the Son, Jesus.

 

[Yeshua1]

No, you're just thumping your bible again, aren't you? Figures as much....

How is giving you spiritual truth be bible thumping?

 

[Yeshua1]

In your OP you state:



You have been shown that the LDS is not biblical and now you complain that people are being too...biblical.

It seems you have zero concern for theology and biblical truth while you long for someone to love-bomb you. I have no doubt that Satan love-bombs people better than Christians because Christians tell you the truth while Satan tells you what you want to hear.

God's true sheep will hear his voice and live under His disciplining hand of grace. Those of a different master will listen to the love-bomb of the Mormon cult.

Only God knows who you are listening to, but if you are drawn to Mormonism, you are not drawn to the voice of God the Son, Jesus.

Mormonism does a really good job of redefining Christian terminology , as they use the same basic terms but vest totally different then the scriptures, so easy to mislead unwary souls!

 

[Centrist]

Particular, maybe. When I left the LDS church, I did so by getting baptised by, of all things, a Southern Baptist church. Back in 2001 I think. Want pastor's number?

How is giving you spiritual truth be bible thumping?

(pssst! I'm picking on you....)

 

[Particular]

Particular, maybe. When I left the LDS church, I did so by getting baptised by, of all things, a Southern Baptist church. Back in 2001 I think. Want pastor's number?

(pssst! I'm picking on you....)

Centrist, water baptism is not how you leave something. I can tell you of many people who were water baptized and never were saved. (Every infant in the Roman Catholic Church and Lutheran Church for example.)
Did God the Father make you alive with God the Son, Christ Jesus, in adoption?
Did God give you his gift of faith?
Has God treated you as a son and begun the work of sanctification in you?

Stop thinking denominational. Start thinking biblical. What does God actually tell you in the Bible?

 

[Centrist]

Particular, like it or not that's how I "formalized" leaving the LDS. Invited the Stake President and Bishop both, too. And I presume the baptism is sufficient as the pastor that baptised me was/is a pastor. I don't know of your credentials, so I really don't know why you're questioning the baptism.

 

[Particular]

Particular, like it or not that's how I "formalized" leaving the LDS. Invited the Stake President and Bishop both, too. And I presume the baptism is sufficient as the pastor that baptised me was/is a pastor. I don't know of your credentials, so I really don't know why you're questioning the baptism.

I question if you understand grace. Water baptism is a ceremony. It is not a magical activity. When I read what you write, I see a person who lives by emotion and legalism. I see a person who is tossed by waves because he has never been grounded in God's word and mentored to study the Bible.
My advise to you is to find a quiet place and study your Bible. Do an inductive study where you observe what the Bible says, then you write questions about your observations. After this, try answering your questions about what you observe, by interpreting the passage. Check to see if others agree with what you interpret. Then make application to your life.
Take these steps and let God speak.

 

[Shoostie]

I see several have already labeled the LDS as a cult. Is there some level of authority you were given to justify that call? I mean, you can disagree with them, you can dislike them, you can even despise them. But to judge them? Is that the right step to take?

Some Baptists can be very judgmental of the religious beliefs of others. These same people tend to be very hypocritical by refusing to acknowledge false teachings and nature of rabbinical Judaism. These same people are often stubbornly blind to the weaknesses of their own doctrine. I think many Mormons are fine people and faithful to God.

I think of any organization that has doctrines based on extra-biblical revelation to be a cult. So, LDS is a cult. Mormon doctrine also contradicts some of the most fundamentalist and widely held Christian doctrines, such as the nature of Jesus being God. Any church that claims to be the only true church forces outsiders to denounce that church in kind.

There are Baptists churches that teach clearly unbiblical doctrines, in spite of their claims the Bible teaches those doctrines. Those Baptist churches to be cultish.

 

[Centrist]

Some Baptists can be very judgmental of the religious beliefs of others. These same people tend to be very hypocritical by refusing to acknowledge false teachings and nature of rabbinical Judaism. These same people are often stubbornly blind to the weaknesses of their own doctrine. I think many Mormons are fine people and faithful to God.

I think of any organization that has doctrines based on extra-biblical revelation to be a cult. So, LDS is a cult. Mormon doctrine also contradicts some of the most fundamentalist and widely held Christian doctrines, such as the nature of Jesus being God. Any church that claims to be the only true church forces outsiders to denounce that church in kind.

There are Baptists churches that teach clearly unbiblical doctrines, in spite of their claims the Bible teaches those doctrines. Those Baptist churches to be cultish.

Well, I'll be (BLEEEEEP!)! Someone actually is covering the OP instead of CRITICIZING me over whether or not I'm truly saved (remember that link I provided earlier? It's back! Some of you need to read that several times over, IMO- A Warning to Pastors Who Mislead God's People).

Shootsie, I'm not disagreeing with you on the LDS issue. I found there is another SBC church here, sadly I have been to it one Sunday during the hours they advertised, and no one was there, so I wasn't all that enthused to return. Spoke with the preacher once before, but it's been so long that I don't remember what was said. I might go back.

But I must say this is exactly what I was trying to get out. People are so worried about the details of something that really isn't part of the subject matter, they totally miss the subject. Trying to decide if I'm saved or not? "Particular", that's not your call. If I go to church I go because I know I'm imperfect and I'm a sinner. Aaron, if I'm not a good candidate for church, well, that link I provided is a good place for you to start reading.

I appreciate that people read what my plight was, but very disappointed to see very few really paid any attention to what was being said. My history with the LDS spans 25+ years, and I was nearly born into it. So having been raised in it is very influential. But as it seems to offend a few of the posters, I'm guessing no church is gonna suffice as it appears that God won't forgive me for being raised LDS. I know I can count a few posters that won't. Matthew 18 comes to mind, but hey, I'm just a former Mormon, what would I know about God?

Yeah, it really does bug me *that* much.

 

[Particular]

Well, I'll be (BLEEEEEP!)! Someone actually is covering the OP instead of CRITICIZING me over whether or not I'm truly saved (remember that link I provided earlier? It's back! Some of you need to read that several times over, IMO- A Warning to Pastors Who Mislead God's People).

Shootsie, I'm not disagreeing with you on the LDS issue. I found there is another SBC church here, sadly I have been to it one Sunday during the hours they advertised, and no one was there, so I wasn't all that enthused to return. Spoke with the preacher once before, but it's been so long that I don't remember what was said. I might go back.

But I must say this is exactly what I was trying to get out. People are so worried about the details of something that really isn't part of the subject matter, they totally miss the subject. Trying to decide if I'm saved or not? "Particular", that's not your call. If I go to church I go because I know I'm imperfect and I'm a sinner. Aaron, if I'm not a good candidate for church, well, that link I provided is a good place for you to start reading.

I appreciate that people read what my plight was, but very disappointed to see very few really paid any attention to what was being said. My history with the LDS spans 25+ years, and I was nearly born into it. So having been raised in it is very influential. But as it seems to offend a few of the posters, I'm guessing no church is gonna suffice as it appears that God won't forgive me for being raised LDS. I know I can count a few posters that won't. Matthew 18 comes to mind, but hey, I'm just a former Mormon, what would I know about God?

Yeah, it really does bug me *that* much.

I have no concern in trying to play God. God either chooses to save us or he doesn't. That is for God to decide.
My role is to point you toward sound doctrine and scripture as being above church doors and personal feelings.
Theology matters, centrist. Not all SBC churches have good theology. I attended an SBC near me for awhile. The pastor refused to discipline sin. He claimed that as long as you said the sinners prayer, you were saved. People could be leaders in the church and active drug addicts because they had a struggle. But, since they said a prayer, the church should not discipline them. The church should love them and let them keep serving because discipline might hurt their feelings and cause them too much sorrow. Meanwhile the worship leader came to church high on cocaine to lead the congregation in worship.
So, theology matters because it points us to the God of Creation, not the god men have created.

 

[Centrist]

I appreciate your efforts Particular.