Failure to Grasp the Doctrine of Union with Christ, leads to many Error's

[Zaatar71]

We can try that if you like. It's always the non-calvinists that give explanation whereas the Calvinists will say, "that's the sovereignty of God, He can do whatever He desires.

The main problem is our definition of God's sovereignty. That is what we should be discussing.

Do you agree with these biblical definitions;

Dan.4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Psa.115:2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?

3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

Isa.46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

 

[Silverhair]

Yes,, when a person turns from revealed truth, they turn to darkness and ideas that are alienated from the life of God. yes, they have to invent or make up a theological idol...they have no other choice.

Which is just what augustine did in the 4th century and calvin and calvinist's have carried forward to today.

 

[Charlie24]

Do you agree with these biblical definitions;

Dan.4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Psa.115:2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?

3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

Isa.46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Of Course I do, but I believe them in the context in which they are written.

Pick one out and let's discuss it! Not going through all of them.

 

[Silverhair]

Actually its our critics that many times say we have another God/Gospel, man made theology etc

That is just pointing out the truth to you in the hope that you will come out of the 4th century pagan based philosophy and just trust the word of God.

 

[Zaatar71]

Which is just what augustine did in the 4th century and calvin and calvinist's have carried forward to today.

I am not responding to these foolish Augustine posts. Deal with scripture, or keep these foolish thoughts to yourself.

 

[Silverhair]

Calvinism is regards to salvation proper is the best system to explain how God managed to save us lost sinners

Well I was saved through the word of God long before I ever heard of either Calvinism or Arminianism. Thankful for that.

 

[Silverhair]

I am not responding to these foolish Augustine posts. Deal with scripture, or keep these foolish thoughts to yourself.

They are not foolish Z. Why do you follow a philosophy that started in the 4th century?

The fact you will not even take the time say much about you. It seems you are afraid of the truth as it would shatter your calvinst world.

 

[Zaatar71]

Of Course I do, but I believe them in the context in which they are written.

Pick one out and let's discuss it! Not going through all of them.

All three have something in common...Look at dan4 for example;
Dan.4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

He is completely in control of whatsoever comes to pass, In heaven or on earth. Do you agree? God's will is done according to His good pleasure.

 

[Zaatar71]

They are not foolish Z. Why do you follow a philosophy that started in the 4th century?

The fact you will not even take the time say much about you. It seems you are afraid of the truth as it would shatter your calvinst world.

My doctrine is fully taught in the NT. You cannot address the truth so you look to fables instead, I understand.

 

[Zaatar71]

Another option:
I agree with the Biblical teaching.
I do not equate Zaatar's teaching with Scripture.

You are correct, however, I chose not to include the fourth normal Calvinist accusation:
If you don't agree with Zaatar you must therefore be:
1.) ignorant
2.) stupid
3.) wicked
4.) any combination of the above

I've heard it for ages, again, if I had a nickel....
My guess is, one day, you will grow out of it. But, it often takes years for Calvinists to cease simply calling those who disagree with them evil.

If you do not agree with scripture ,it is God you do not agree with ,my friend, not me. You cannot defend your position biblically ,so you appeal to the bad Calvinist boogeyman excuse to avoid real interaction, I get it.

 

[Charlie24]

All three have something in common...Look at dan4 for example;
Dan.4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

He is completely in control of whatsoever comes to pass, In heaven or on earth. Do you agree? God's will is done according to His good pleasure.

Just hear me out and see if you get it.

In Dan. 4:35 Nebuchadnezzar is speaking of what God did to show him that he may be the greatest of all kings on the earth, but he is not above the Lord God. God took his kingdom from him and then gave it back, nothing could stop God from doing this.

This context has nothing to do with predestination, but you want to make it to mean that.

You can't do that, Z. Each one of the verses you have quoted have their own context in which God does His good pleasure.

 

[Silverhair]

My doctrine is fully taught in the NT. You cannot address the truth so you look to fables instead, I understand.

So you are now calling history fables, that is rich coming from you.

Your doctrine is formed by twisting the word of God and changing the meaning of words to suit your preconceived ideas.

 

[Silverhair]

If you do not agree with scripture ,it is God you do not agree with ,my friend, not me. You cannot defend your position biblically ,so you appeal to the bad Calvinist boogeyman excuse to avoid real interaction, I get it.

You continue to deny history and hold to a philosophy from the 4th century so who is not agreeing with the word of God?

 

[Charlie24]

Just hear me out and see if you get it.

In Dan. 4:35 Nebuchadnezzar is speaking of what God did to show him that he may be the greatest of all kings on the earth, but he is not above the Lord God. God took his kingdom from him and then gave it back, nothing could stop God from doing this.

This context has nothing to do with predestination, but you want to make it to mean that.

You can't do that, Z. Each one of the verses you have quoted have their own context in which God does His good pleasure.

Let's go to the verse that concerns predestination and according to His good pleasure.

Eph. 1:5

"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

You will say that God's sovereignty has chosen who will be saved according to His good pleasure.

I will say it has nothing to do with God choosing who will be saved, but how man will be saved.

God predestined before the foundation of the world that man would be adopted a certain way, only one way, through Jesus Christs' sacrifice for our sins, according to his good pleasure.

 

[Charlie24]

Let's go to the verse that concerns predestination and according to His good pleasure.

Eph. 1:5

"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

You will say that God's sovereignty has chosen who will be saved according to His good pleasure.

I will say it has nothing to do with God choosing who will be saved, but how man will be saved.

God predestined before the foundation of the world that man would be adopted a certain way, only one way, through Jesus Christs' sacrifice for our sins, according to his good pleasure.

Have you put forth any effort whatsoever to understand what I've said in the above post?

 

[37818]

Failure to Grasp the Doctrine of Union with Christ, leads to many Error's.

It is simple to grasp.

1 John 5:12, He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.