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Failure to Grasp the Doctrine of Union with Christ, leads to many Error's

Charlie24

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Your post is not clear at all. What do you mean when you say this;

Where does the text say anything about being "adopted in a certain way"
Where does the text say that?
What is that certain way?
Where does it say...how man will be saved?

He could have adopted us by living a good moral life.

He could have adopted us by Church membership.

He could have adopted us by random choice.

He could have adopted us by by our good outweighing our bad.

But He chose to adopt us by Jesus Christ according to His good pleasure.
 

37818

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Romans 8;23, And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
 

Charlie24

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I do not identify as a Calvinist. However, I would like to learn how the Calvinist view of God could be argued to be evil.

Not trying to start an argument, I think we've all had enough of that lately.

But to answer your question, most non-Calvinists look at the end result of TULIP and see God choosing an Elect group of individuals for salvation and leaving the rest to die/perish in their sins. God didn't die for the sins of those He didn't choose for salvation, according to TULIP.

This is seen by these folks as the teaching of Calvinism being evil. They believe God is fair and just to all of mankind and offers salvation to all.

In short, man sends himself to Hell by refusing the offer of God's salvation and not God allowing them to go to Hell without them having a choice.
 

Zaatar71

Active Member
But to answer your question, most non-Calvinists look at the end result of TULIP and see God choosing an Elect group of individuals for salvation and leaving the rest to die/perish in their sins. God didn't die for the sins of those He didn't choose for salvation, according to TULIP.
yes,correct;1689;
3. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, 7 to the praise of His glorious grace; 8 others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His glorious justice. 9
7. 1 Timothy 5:21; Matthew 25:348. Ephesians 1:5-69. Romans 9:22-23; Jude 4
This is seen by these folks as the teaching of Calvinism being evil. They believe God is fair and just to all of mankind and offers salvation to all.
He does not offer to all men ever born, that is not the teaching of scripture. unless a missionary preaches to these people in foreign fields, they have no verbal offer of anything from God. That is a foolish position, easily disproved.
In short, man sends himself to Hell by refusing the offer of God's salvation and not God allowing them to go to Hell without them having a choice.
What about the millions who have never heard about Jesus? What sends them to hell?
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
What about the millions who have never heard about Jesus? What sends them to hell?

Rom. 1:19-20

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
 
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