FAITH AND WORKS

[atpollard]

Whats your point ?

[John 21:25 NASB] 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.

John had lots to choose from.
John wrote after Paul had spread the word to the gentiles.
John wrote after the temple had been destroyed (AD 70) and the Jews scattered.
Everything John wrote, he wrote to us ... the post resurrection gentile church.

That was my point.

 

[Barry Johnson]

[John 21:25 NASB] 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.

John had lots to choose from.
John wrote after Paul had spread the word to the gentiles.
John wrote after the temple had been destroyed (AD 70) and the Jews scattered.
Everything John wrote, he wrote to us ... the post resurrection gentile church.

That was my point.

John wrote what happened , back then . Thats what we read now .What took place. Of course so we would believe . The context is also what John wants us to understand i believe.

 

[37818]

John wrote after the temple had been destroyed (AD 70) and the Jews scattered.

Why is that so, that he wrote his gospel account after 70 AD?

 

[utilyan]

Actually the etymology of the word ' believe ' includes ' love '

I never knew this. I'll be sure to research it.

Love is the only good work. Doesn't help your case.

 

[utilyan]

Yes you sound full of love. All you need is love after all . You ignored my question . When did you receive the Holy Spirit ? And How ? Romans 8.9 .
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

When I got baptized. By God's grace, God's grace has love in it too. Do you think love is something weak?

 

[atpollard]

Why is that so, that he wrote his gospel account after 70 AD?

The dates with "BC" count down to 0 so lower numbers come after higher numbers, while dates with AD count up from 0, so lower numbers come before higher numbers. AD 90-100 comes after AD 70.
[just teasing]

I went with the "Scholarly majority opinion" that placed the writing of the Gospel of John between AD 90-100. I did so simply because it was the majority opinion and I have no personal expertise to challenge it on any scholarly merit.

My actual point was that John wrote his Gospel to a gentile target audience rather than a predominantly Jewish audience. That suggests that what he wrote was selected because it was applicable to the post-resurrection gentile church (as opposed to the oft argued "that was for Jews only").

If you can prove an earlier date, then publish in a journal and sway the scholarly majority opinion. I have no dog in that fight.

 

[utilyan]

Are you saying someone who does not love does not know God ?

I didn't say. Scripture says :

1 John 4
8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.


YOU tell me what it says.


Love is the prime. If you can tell me ONE difference between Jesus and Love then you still have more to learn about both.

 

[utilyan]

We don't get the good news as we know it until Paul is converted.

Well if you are a gentile speak for yourself, I might not be a gentile. I might be a natural branch.

Also the great commission pretty much covers prior to Paul.

I didn't have to read past Matthew to understand the gospel and Jesus died for us. If after reading the four gospels you didn't get the gist of it till reading Romans?

The moment Jesus gave the sermon on the mount that shot me down. He expressed everything I ever wanted to be and the only thing I look up to.

 

[Barry Johnson]

When I got baptized. By God's grace, God's grace has love in it too. Do you think love is something weak?

Not possible with water.

 

[Barry Johnson]

I didn't say. Scripture says :

1 John 4
8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.


YOU tell me what it says.


Love is the prime. If you can tell me ONE difference between Jesus and Love then you still have more to learn about both.

Your the one swinging that

Well if you are a gentile speak for yourself, I might not be a gentile. I might be a natural branch.

Also the great commission pretty much covers prior to Paul.

I didn't have to read past Matthew to understand the gospel and Jesus died for us. If after reading the four gospels you didn't get the gist of it till reading Romans?

The moment Jesus gave the sermon on the mount that shot me down. He expressed everything I ever wanted to be and the only thing I look up to.

Those in the book of Mathew did not understand the Gospel till after the resurection . Check Luke 18 . 31-34

 

[Barry Johnson]

Well if you are a gentile speak for yourself, I might not be a gentile. I might be a natural branch.

Also the great commission pretty much covers prior to Paul.

I didn't have to read past Matthew to understand the gospel and Jesus died for us. If after reading the four gospels you didn't get the gist of it till reading Romans?

The moment Jesus gave the sermon on the mount that shot me down. He expressed everything I ever wanted to be and the only thing I look up to.

If you didn't read past mathew you would not understand the Gospel.

 

[37818]

The dates with "BC" count down to 0 so lower numbers come after higher numbers, while dates with AD count up from 0, . . .

That has nothing do do with my question. Besides there is no 0 BC or 0 AD. 1 AD comes after 1 BC, no zero.

I went with the "Scholarly majority opinion" that placed the writing of the Gospel of John between AD 90-100.

Yes. But that does not give the reasons for that belief.
Now John 5:2, ". . . Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. . . ." Those porches as such having their coverings before 70 AD. John 5:2 suggesting John was written prior to 70 AD.

 

[atpollard]

Now John 5:2, ". . . Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. . . ." Those porches as such having their coverings before 70 AD. John 5:2 suggesting John was written prior to 70 AD.

Like I said, publish and correct the scholarly majority.
I am not an expert and I have no vested interest in any specific date.

 

[atpollard]

That has nothing do do with my question. Besides there is no 0 BC or 0 AD. 1 AD comes after 1 BC, no zero.

1. I never said there was a 0 BC or a 0 AD, I said the dates count down to 0 and up from 0. The zero is the instant that 1 BC ends and 1 AD begins (moment of the birth of Christ if the calendar was accurate).
2. I stated that it was a joke.
3. The fact that 90-100 AD comes after 70 AD because with AD lower numbers come before higher numbers has EVERYTHING to do with your question.

 

[AustinC]

[John 21:25 NASB] 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.

John had lots to choose from.
John wrote after Paul had spread the word to the gentiles.
John wrote after the temple had been destroyed (AD 70) and the Jews scattered.
Everything John wrote, he wrote to us ... the post resurrection gentile church.

That was my point.

Everything that God has ever said is specifically given to the chosen people of God. The elect, predestined to redemption.

 

[atpollard]

Everything that God has ever said is specifically given to the chosen people of God. The elect, predestined to redemption.

I’d be happy to just get people to accept John and Romans ... I am SO tired of being told “that wasn’t for the Church, that was for Jews”.

 

[AustinC]

I’d be happy to just get people to accept John and Romans ... I am SO tired of being told “that wasn’t for the Church, that was for Jews”.

I hear you. Part of that is the large contingent of Baptists in the US who have bought into Dispensationalism.

 

[Barry Johnson]

I’d be happy to just get people to accept John and Romans ... I am SO tired of being told “that wasn’t for the Church, that was for Jews”.

I'd settle for a calvinist to use context when using a single verse instead of seeing everything is about them.

 

[atpollard]

I'd settle for a calvinist to use context when using a single verse instead of seeing everything is about them.

Wait a minute, you mean everything ISN’T all about me?
But I thought I was God’s favorite!

 

[utilyan]

If you didn't read past mathew you would not understand the Gospel.

IF there was something more important it would at the FRONT.
The Gospel was being taught long before any bible was written down.