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False Gospel
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He wont forsake you because He was forsaken. He became sin for us to bear the punishment for sin. The judge became the punished for sin.That's fine, you can believe God forsook His Son. I do not believe it. That's how I know He'll never forsake me.
God took upon Himself to be separated from God, which is sin or spiritual death, We can only share in the physical death by Him being human, one of us, Being God He paid the price, being human we share in His death. We are forgiven by Him being forsaken.
capisce?
God was separated from God? No. Christ became a sin offering and we are forgiven through His death on the cross, not separation.
Luke 23:46-47 (KJV) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.
Luke 23:46-47
Romans 8:3 (KJV) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:3
Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.
Luke 23:46-47
Romans 8:3 (KJV) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:3
God is Holy and cannot abide sin. Jesus became sin, so separation had to occur. Spiritual death , even for us, is eternal separation from God. The one and only time the Godhead was separated.
That is why Jesus was forsaken.
The whole reason of Christs life, Israel , being saved, etc was because sin came into existence
I dont see a point, just verses
I don't see it in Scripture. I used to believe it until I studied it out for myself. Christ was not forsaken and neither will we be forsaken. I was always told what you assert. I reject that Christ was forsaken. I'm confident that when a believer says God forsook His Son, the Holy Spirit grieves within them. Study it out, Christ was not forsaken.
Christ's death on the Cross was payment for our sin. He death on the cross was penalty for our sin. Isaiah 53 spells it out. But God never forsook Him. Christ's death ransomed us. The perfect and sinless One bore our sin and shame. But God never forsook Him. He raised Him from the dead to prove it. The Pharisees thought he was forsaken. God showed He did not forsake His Perfect Son by raising Him from the dead.
Just what do you think they are trying to sell you? Penal Substitution is the entire Gospel.
What do you think the Wrath of God is all Sunshine and Rainbows? (You'd be closer to being Catholic if you did)
GOD hated Jesus. Forsaken by God, God Separated from Jesus.(You caught a bad whiff of the trinity not being eternal here)
Because the character of God presented is a Prissy Pharisee who cannot even stand to face or be in the presence of sin. We are nothing but a filthy rag that God hates. He's not the Jesus who spent his time with sinners.
He's like the Predator with the heat vision unless your hiding covered in the blood of Jesus he detests all.
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603 Jesus did not experience reprobation as if he himself had sinned.405 But in the redeeming love that always united him to the Father, he assumed us in the state of our waywardness of sin, to the point that he could say in our name from the cross: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"406 Having thus established him in solidarity with us sinners, God "did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all", so that we might be "reconciled to God by the death of his Son".407
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There is nothing in scripture about the BACKWARD idea of Reconciling GOD to us only Reconciling US to God.
God doesn't need to change his mind about you as a Calvinist pushes, You need to change your mind about God.
God doesn't need repentance, You need repentance.
Pagans always had this satanic dark side that gods are angry and require appeasement. The volcano gods need a human sacrifice,
Moloch and Baal need human sacrifice, to throw innocent children in the fire.
God is so disgusted by human sacrifice he says, it would never even cross his mind:
Jeremiah 32:35: "And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin."
How can God who is so disgusted by human sacrifice calling it an abomination all the sudden calls dibs on doing something infinitely worst and pouring his wrath on innocent Jesus Christ?
They make God out to be EXACTLY like those pagan gods, The FATHER is NOTHING like them at all.
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The truth, my friend, is the exact opposite. In precisely the same way that I know that God will never punish me because the punishment was inflicted upon the Lord Jesus, so I know God will never forsake me precisely because He forsook His own Son, 'that He might be just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus.'
The Lord Jesus is the 'Surety' or 'guarantor' of the New Covenant (Hebrews 7:22). If you become surety for someone, it means that you undertake to pay all his debts if he becomes unable to pay them. The fact that you yourself may be entirely financially sound is of no account. You are liable for that person's debts and any penalties he may have incurred as though you have incurred them yourself.
We owe a debt of righteousness to God that we are unable to pay. We have also incurred the most severe penalties for our sins which include separation from the gracious presence of God (c.f. 2 Thessalonians 1:9). The Lord Jesus has paid the debt of righteousness on our behalf (Romans 5:19), and suffered the curse and all the penalties to which we were liable (Isaiah 53 passim; 1 Peter 2:24).
Uh, no it’s not.
This is demonstrably illogical.
I don't think you'll find it is. Think about it.
Brother, I've believed what you have been asserting for a long time. Then i studied it out for myself. We sing hymns that say, "The Father Turned His face away..." but the Scripture Says He *didn't* Psalms 22:24. God did not forsake Him. That's the beauty of the Resurrection and the guarantee that we will never be forsaken either. I believe most of the PSA and i believe in many aspects of Christus Victor and Ransom Theory, parts of each tell the whole story. I do not believe that Christ was forsaken. God can never cease to be God, nor can God ever be separated from Himself. This is totally illogical. I know, this goes against what you've always believed. Christ's Blood, His death paid for our sins, not "separation". That's not only illogical, but totally irrelevant. Scripture says over and over, Christ's Blood paid for our sin, Christ's death reconciled us to God. HE became a Sin OFFERING.I don't think you'll find it is. Think about it.
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