False prophets and their many books

[MB]

This verse below is why we should stay in scripture and not rely on the writings of men to explain scripture to us
I find that there are many here who rely on external sources so they can understand scripture. The Bible says.

Luk 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Not many here speaks well of me. Though it doesn't change my course. I admit I'm still learning no man knows it all

2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Some here rely on false prophets. They are always recommending books that are not scripture there claim is that they will help you understand. If you don't understand scripture or any part of it. It might just be that you weren't meant to yet.
Just like in school the teachers hated it when you went ahead of everyone else for good reason because when you jump ahead you miss out on the teachers plan of education. You miss out on how you are suppose to get there. The steps are important. With out the steps you can't understand
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[Yeshua1]

This verse below is why we should stay in scripture and not rely on the writings of men to explain scripture to us
I find that there are many here who rely on external sources so they can understand scripture. The Bible says.

Luk 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Not many here speaks well of me. Though it doesn't change my course. I admit I'm still learning no man knows it all

2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Some here rely on false prophets. They are always recommending books that are not scripture there claim is that they will help you understand. If you don't understand scripture or any part of it. It might just be that you weren't meant to yet.
Just like in school the teachers hated it when you went ahead of everyone else for good reason because when you jump ahead you miss out on the teachers plan of education. You miss out on how you are suppose to get there. The steps are important. With out the steps you can't understand
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Are you referring to Calvinists here by chance?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Proverbs 11:14. 'Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counsellors there is safety.'

 

[MB]

Are you referring to Calvinists here by chance?

I'm referring to all who have to read non scripture to help them understand the scriptures.. Is it not true that it's the Holy Spirit gives us understanding? If this is so you don't need anyone to teach you When you read such material it proves you don't understand scripture. Or else you don't like the teaching of the Spirit,
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[MB]

Proverbs 11:14. 'Where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counsellors there is safety.'

Isn't the scriptures guidance enough Why do you not understand scripture? Could it be that you are influenced
of other men. The counsel of others can mislead but not you because you
consider your self one of them.By the way I'll take the guidance of scripture. My Lord guides me by the scriptures He alone is the light on my path.
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[Martin Marprelate]

Isn't the scriptures guidance enough Why do you not understand scripture? Could it be that you are influenced
of other men. The counsel of others can mislead but not you because you
consider your self one of them.By the way I'll take the guidance of scripture. My Lord guides me by the scriptures He alone is the light on my path.
MB

I assume from this that you never listen to a sermon lest you be influenced by the preacher. Do you think that the churches Paul wrote to never read his letters in case they were influenced by him?

Acts 8:30-31, ESV. 'So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" and he said, "How can I unless someone guides me?"' And Philip said, "You're on your own, mate. If I tell you what it means you will have been influenced by men."

The Scriptures are sufficient. That's why the 1689 Confession says right at the beginning, 'The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain and infallible rule of all saving knowledge.' But your understanding is not sufficient and your pride may lead you astray so therefore you should read all you can, as many books as you can manage, asking the Holy Scripture to lead you into all truth. To say, "I just believe the Bible" is fine, but it's what J.W.s and all sorts of assorted heretics and nutcases say. The question is, what do you believe the Bible teaches? And that is where confessions and catechisms are so helpful.
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[MB]

I assume from this that you never listen to a sermon lest you be influenced by the preacher. Do you think that the churches Paul wrote to never read his letters in case they were influenced by him?

Acts 8:30-31, ESV. 'So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" and he said, "How can I unless someone guides me?"' And Philip said, "You're on your own, mate. If I tell you what it means you will have been influenced by men."

The Scriptures are sufficient. That's why the 1689 Confession says right at the beginning, 'The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain and infallible rule of all saving knowledge.'

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That much of it I agree with. If the Bible is suffcient then what else do you need. You seem to be saying the scripture are suffcient and at the same time saying they are not enough. Maybe you don't see that's a contradiction.

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But your understanding is not sufficient and your pride may lead you astray so therefore you should read all you can, as many books as you can manage, asking the Holy Scripture to lead you into all truth. To say, "I just believe the Bible" is fine, but it's what J.W.s and all sorts of assorted heretics and nutcases say. The question is, what do you believe the Bible teaches? And that is where confessions and catechisms are so helpful.
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I don't believe anything you say about other sources. There is a huge difference between reading and hearing a sermon. When you read something it stays a lot longer. Didn't you ever hear a little song about guarding your eyes, your mind and your heart when I was little we use to sing it in Children's church.
Most men do not Guard them selves

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm referring to all who have to read non scripture to help them understand the scriptures.. Is it not true that it's the Holy Spirit gives us understanding? If this is so you don't need anyone to teach you When you read such material it proves you don't understand scripture. Or else you don't like the teaching of the Spirit,
MB

The Lord gave to us scholars, pastors, teachers, theologians to equip us and mature us in the word!

 

[Yeshua1]

I assume from this that you never listen to a sermon lest you be influenced by the preacher. Do you think that the churches Paul wrote to never read his letters in case they were influenced by him?

Acts 8:30-31, ESV. 'So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" and he said, "How can I unless someone guides me?"' And Philip said, "You're on your own, mate. If I tell you what it means you will have been influenced by men."

The Scriptures are sufficient. That's why the 1689 Confession says right at the beginning, 'The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain and infallible rule of all saving knowledge.' But your understanding is not sufficient and your pride may lead you astray so therefore you should read all you can, as many books as you can manage, asking the Holy Scripture to lead you into all truth. To say, "I just believe the Bible" is fine, but it's what J.W.s and all sorts of assorted heretics and nutcases say. The question is, what do you believe the Bible teaches? And that is where confessions and catechisms are so helpful.
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Why do teachers and pastors then bother to study Hebrew and greek, or use lexicons and grammars? Sounds same as when KJVO rants on about the Kjv being all you need!

 

[37818]

. . . not rely on the writings of men to explain scripture to us . . . .

Unless one can read and understand the handed down text in it's original language that is exactly what a reader of a translation is doing, relying on the explanation of others.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Aside from your own pastor, (I'm assuming you have a pastor) what preachers do you listen to? Do you ever use Sermonaudio.com?

 

[MB]

The Lord gave to us scholars, pastors, teachers, theologians to equip us and mature us in the word!

The Lord also told us we need no one to teach us that the Holy Spirit is our teacher.You do believe in the Holy Spirit can do this
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[MB]

Aside from your own pastor, (I'm assuming you have a pastor) what preachers do you listen to? Do you ever use Sermonaudio.com?

I don't know anything about sermon Audio.. How ever I do listen to some on the internet. One of them comes here for debate
He is with out doubt anti Calvinist
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[RipponRedeaux]

I don't know anything about sermon Audio.. How ever I do listen to some on the internet. One of them comes here for debate
He is with out doubt anti Calvinist
MB

You listen to just one pastor on the internet? I want to get an idea of someone who you appreciate as a Bible teacher/preacher.

 

[MB]

The Lord gave to us scholars, pastors, teachers, theologians to equip us and mature us in the word!

So did Satan
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[agedman]

I am thankful that Paul was a scholar and in his letters could quote others that were not even believers and use what they said as instructional to the readers.

If Paul did, then perhaps considering rejection of outside information gathering and learning myopic.

 

[Silverhair]

I think we all want to stay as true to the scriptures as we can but some people will place to much trust in other materials because they are from a popular or big name in their view.

 

[AustinC]

Isn't the scriptures guidance enough Why do you not understand scripture? Could it be that you are influenced
of other men. The counsel of others can mislead but not you because you
consider your self one of them.By the way I'll take the guidance of scripture. My Lord guides me by the scriptures He alone is the light on my path.
MB

Are you aware that Charles Taze Russell formed his belief by studying the Bible and translating it himself?

2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
Hebrews 12:1-2 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

We have a legacy of faith, those who went before us who are our guides. Many a cult has formed by lone rangers who claimed to get their information from the Bible alone. If we simply read the Bible with no discernment, we could go down a false path. Note that Satan knows the Bible.

 

[John of Japan]

So did Satan
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I'm a Bible and theology teacher. I teach in the Bible college under our local church, and I teach in our local church. Did Satan send me?

Acts 13--"1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away."

 

[Reformed1689]

I'm referring to all who have to read non scripture to help them understand the scriptures.. Is it not true that it's the Holy Spirit gives us understanding? If this is so you don't need anyone to teach you When you read such material it proves you don't understand scripture. Or else you don't like the teaching of the Spirit,
MB

Do you think pastors preaching on Sunday help us understand Scripture?