False prophets and their many books

[MB]

Do you think pastors preaching on Sunday help us understand Scripture?

You know Calvinist have told me that understanding comes with regeneration. If you have a problem then maybe something is wrong.
MB

 

[SovereignGrace]

Spelling and punctuation are not your friend I see.

 

[MB]

I'm a Bible and theology teacher. I teach in the Bible college under our local church, and I teach in our local church. Did Satan send me?

Acts 13--"1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away."[

I do not mean any disrespect but honestly, I can't say if anyone personally is of Christ or Satan. Anyone who stands up and claims something is scriptural when it can't be found in scripture. Is preaching a false doctrine. My whole point is that for Calvinism to exist someone went down the wrong path. I don't believe that even one of Calvinism's doctrines is really of scripture because of all the scripture they use just does not say what they claim when we read it in context. This alone is Satanic. It's there attempt to destroy what scripture actually says.

We are at war with Satan and in any war communication is of ultimate importance. Calvinist add there doctrines to scripture when they recite it . Taking scriptures apart to make it say what they believe. They try to destroy the meaning of words like "All" and "World". Changing what scripture really says is very sinful. We are warned not to do it yet Calvinist are famous for it. Where ever what they claim is disproved, they claim it's because of a lack of our understanding. When actually it's there understanding that is lacking. They add and subtract what scripture actually says.
MB

 

[AustinC]

I do not mean any disrespect but honestly, I can't say if anyone personally is of Christ or Satan. Anyone who stands up and claims something is scriptural when it can't be found in scripture. Is preaching a false doctrine. My whole point is that for Calvinism to exist someone went down the wrong path. I don't believe that even one of Calvinism's doctrines is really of scripture because of all the scripture they use just does not say what they claim when we read it in context. This alone is Satanic. It's there attempt to destroy what scripture actually says.

We are at war with Satan and in any war communication is of ultimate importance. Calvinist add there doctrines to scripture when they recite it . Taking scriptures apart to make it say what they believe. They try to destroy the meaning of words like "All" and "World". Changing what scripture really says is very sinful. We are warned not to do it yet Calvinist are famous for it. Where ever what they claim is disproved, they claim it's because of a lack of our understanding. When actually it's there understanding that is lacking. They add and subtract what scripture actually says.
MB

So...you can't find free will in scripture. Holding the position you claim, you cannot believe in free will.
Unlimited atonement cannot be found in scripture...holding your position...
Trinity cannot be found in scripture. Holding your position...

My point is...you are a hypocrite to your own maxim. You add doctrines to scripture.
Personally, I don't care if you disagree with Calvin. My guess is you have not read more than a quote from Calvin so your complaint is almost entirely from hearsay.
Every person engaging you has gone to the Bible. Be honest, you don't like the views they(I) have observed in reading the Bible.

 

[MB]

Do you think pastors preaching on Sunday help us understand Scripture?

A Pastor is there to help. It's up to you weather or not you take what he teaches is in fact true. It's important to be sure of what you add to your faith.
The Berians in the Bible were always looking though scripture to see if what is said is really true. In a way it is a duty that we understand scripture as it is intended. Paul admonished them for there making sure. Many just take the word of the speaker which in my opinion should not be done. Everyone including myself, makes mistakes,
.MB

 

[Lodic]

@MB, don't you find it just a bit ironic that you, an extra-Biblical source, are trying to teach us about how we should only be taught by Scripture and the Holy Spirit? How can "iron sharpen iron" unless we know what insight others have on the Scriptures? Do you not think that the Holy Spirit will reveal something to people outside yourself who, in turn, share these insights with others? As followers of Christ, we benefit greatly from the likes of C.H. Spurgeon, C.S. Lewis, R.C. Sproul, et al. These theologians do not replace the Holy Spirit, but are used by the Holy Spirit.

 

[MB]

So...you can't find free will in scripture. Holding the position you claim, you cannot believe in free will.
Unlimited atonement cannot be found in scripture...holding your position...
Trinity cannot be found in scripture. Holding your position...

My point is...you are a hypocrite to your own maxim. You add doctrines to scripture.
Personally, I don't care if you disagree with Calvin. My guess is you have not read more than a quote from Calvin so your complaint is almost entirely from hearsay.
Every person engaging you has gone to the Bible. Be honest, you don't like the views they(I) have observed in reading the Bible.

Frankly I don't care what you think ,if that is what you call it LOL!
MB

 

[37818]

They add and subtract what scripture actually says.

When two believes in Christ disagree. Either one or both are doing that very thing. What is being added to what the text does not say or denied as to what the text does say? And then most of what any of us know of anything comes from others. Such as the writers of the our Bible, the translators of our Bible.

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm a Bible and theology teacher. I teach in the Bible college under our local church, and I teach in our local church. Did Satan send me?

Acts 13--"1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away."

The Cults such as JW, Mormons, and Sda all cliam that we "use just the Bible", but their perversions of it from their leaders should make us heed the admonition of the scriptures to seek out and use those gifted Pastors, teachers, and theologians God gave to His church!

 

[John of Japan]

I do not mean any disrespect but honestly, I can't say if anyone personally is of Christ or Satan. Anyone who stands up and claims something is scriptural when it can't be found in scripture. Is preaching a false doctrine. My whole point is that for Calvinism to exist someone went down the wrong path. I don't believe that even one of Calvinism's doctrines is really of scripture because of all the scripture they use just does not say what they claim when we read it in context. This alone is Satanic. It's there attempt to destroy what scripture actually says.

We are at war with Satan and in any war communication is of ultimate importance. Calvinist add there doctrines to scripture when they recite it . Taking scriptures apart to make it say what they believe. They try to destroy the meaning of words like "All" and "World". Changing what scripture really says is very sinful. We are warned not to do it yet Calvinist are famous for it. Where ever what they claim is disproved, they claim it's because of a lack of our understanding. When actually it's there understanding that is lacking. They add and subtract what scripture actually says.
MB

I saw no context to indicate you were discussing Calvinism. All I saw seemed to be saying, "Bible teachers are bad, only use the Bible, don't use books about the Bible."

But every Bible class I teach has to have a textbook about the Bible. And the ones we use here are, as far as we know, written by good and godly men who love the Lord. It's fine to say, "Don't read books by Calvinists" if that is what you mean, but it seems very narrow minded to me to say, "Don't read books about the Bible." My grandfather, a greatly used evangelist, wrote over 200 books, all Biblical. Many have been saved, called to God's service, or helped in their life and ministry by those books.

 

[Yeshua1]

I do not mean any disrespect but honestly, I can't say if anyone personally is of Christ or Satan. Anyone who stands up and claims something is scriptural when it can't be found in scripture. Is preaching a false doctrine. My whole point is that for Calvinism to exist someone went down the wrong path. I don't believe that even one of Calvinism's doctrines is really of scripture because of all the scripture they use just does not say what they claim when we read it in context. This alone is Satanic. It's there attempt to destroy what scripture actually says.

We are at war with Satan and in any war communication is of ultimate importance. Calvinist add there doctrines to scripture when they recite it . Taking scriptures apart to make it say what they believe. They try to destroy the meaning of words like "All" and "World". Changing what scripture really says is very sinful. We are warned not to do it yet Calvinist are famous for it. Where ever what they claim is disproved, they claim it's because of a lack of our understanding. When actually it's there understanding that is lacking. They add and subtract what scripture actually says.
MB

Are you saying here that Calvinism is a heresy, and we are teaching false doctrines and a false Gospel?

 

[Yeshua1]

I saw no context to indicate you were discussing Calvinism. All I saw seemed to be saying, "Bible teachers are bad, only use the Bible, don't use books about the Bible."

But every Bible class I teach has to have a textbook about the Bible. And the ones we use here are, as far as we know, written by good and godly men who love the Lord. It's fine to say, "Don't read books by Calvinists" if that is what you mean, but it seems very narrow minded to me to say, "Don't read books about the Bible." My grandfather, a greatly used evangelist, wrote over 200 books, all Biblical. Many have been saved, called to God's service, or helped in their life and ministry by those books.

he seems to be holding that we Calvinists teach heresy and another Gospel!
Also, he seems to be denying that we can use any references to use to study the scriptures, such as hebrew and Greek texts, Lexicons, Grammars etc!

 

[John of Japan]

The Lord also told us we need no one to teach us that the Holy Spirit is our teacher.You do believe in the Holy Spirit can do this
MB

This is NOT what the Scripture says or what Jesus said. He never said "we need no one to teach us." If you think He did, give chapter and verse.

Yes, the Holy Spirit is our primary teacher as we approach Scripture, but the Holy Spirit can use others to teach us.

 

[Yeshua1]

he seems to be holding that we Calvinists teach heresy and another Gospel!
Also, he seems to be denying that we can use any references to use to study the scriptures, such as hebrew and Greek texts, Lexicons, Grammars etc!

 

[John of Japan]

he seems to be holding that we Calvinists teach heresy and another Gospel!

Hey, don't complain to me about it; I'm not a Calvinist!

Also, he seems to be denying that we can use any references to use to study the scriptures, such as hebrew and Greek texts, Lexicons, Grammars etc!

To be fair, he has not actually said that yet.

 

[Yeshua1]

This is NOT what the Scripture says or what Jesus said. He never said "we need no one to teach us." If you think He did, give chapter and verse.

Yes, the Holy Spirit is our primary teacher as we approach Scripture, but the Holy Spirit can use others to teach us.

same Jesus gave to us godly Pastors and teachers and theologians , in order to equip and train and instruct the saints!

 

[Yeshua1]

Hey, don't complain to me about it; I'm not a Calvinist!

To be fair, he has not actually said that yet.

he did state that we only and should use just the Bible and the Holy Spirit alone!

 

[MB]

This is NOT what the Scripture says or what Jesus said. He never said "we need no one to teach us." If you think He did, give chapter and verse.

Yes, the Holy Spirit is our primary teacher as we approach Scripture, but the Holy Spirit can use others to teach us.

John wrote
1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
You see what I mean even you can be mistaken.
MB

 

[Reformed1689]

A Pastor is there to help. It's up to you weather or not you take what he teaches is in fact true. It's important to be sure of what you add to your faith.
The Berians in the Bible were always looking though scripture to see if what is said is really true. In a way it is a duty that we understand scripture as it is intended. Paul admonished them for there making sure. Many just take the word of the speaker which in my opinion should not be done. Everyone including myself, makes mistakes,
.MB

And noticed they searched together...hmm. what does that tell you? We aren't meant to be Islands.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Spelling and punctuation are not your friend I see.

There, their, there, now.