Far-right terrorism comes to New Zealand

[Matt Black]

You're asking a lot of conflated questions there.

The BBC if anything is pretty anti-government on balance: a cursory glance at the commentary and blog of their chief political correspondent Laura Kuenssberg will confirm that. Lauren Southern was stopped because (a) we can stop who we like as a sovereign nation and (b) she peddles the sort of far right rhetoric and hate speech that inspires mass murder like yesterday. I don't know the other two name you mention, but if they are from a similar stable then it will have been for a similar reason

 

[Matt Black]

Having fought against that kind of ideology for 6 years 80 years ago, some of us clearly have longer memories than others and don't just want to wave these sorts of individuals espousing similar views through our border checks, funnily enough!

I'm not sure that 'liberals' (define) are blaming 'conservatives' (define) for this terrorist attack but individuals such as Southern who whip up Islamaphobic, racist or anti-immigrant sentiment or play on the fears of the white working class by falsely claiming that immigrants are to blame for problems caused by the banking system and other elites ARE guilty to an extent of shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre and, as such, pose a threat to public order which is why we don't allow them in

 

[Matt Black]

As to the murder rate in London, why do you ask about that? This is a complex issue causatively, but much of it is down to gang knife crime, and the perps and victims there are predominantly black, not Muslim, so not sure how that is germane to the topic.

 

[church mouse guy]

You're asking a lot of conflated questions there.

The BBC if anything is pretty anti-government on balance: a cursory glance at the commentary and blog of their chief political correspondent Laura Kuenssberg will confirm that. Lauren Southern was stopped because (a) we can stop who we like as a sovereign nation and (b) she peddles the sort of far right rhetoric and hate speech that inspires mass murder like yesterday. I don't know the other two name you mention, but if they are from a similar stable then it will have been for a similar reason

Do you really believe that?

 

[church mouse guy]

Having fought against that kind of ideology for 6 years 80 years ago, some of us clearly have longer memories than others and don't just want to wave these sorts of individuals espousing similar views through our border checks, funnily enough!

I'm not sure that 'liberals' (define) are blaming 'conservatives' (define) for this terrorist attack but individuals such as Southern who whip up Islamaphobic, racist or anti-immigrant sentiment or play on the fears of the white working class by falsely claiming that immigrants are to blame for problems caused by the banking system and other elites ARE guilty to an extent of shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre and, as such, pose a threat to public order which is why we don't allow them in

What ideology are you talking about? I should think that Islam is much closer to Nazism having been allied to Germany to some extent and having picked up the admiration of Hitler, etc.

What can't you yourself just accept the notion that nuts are not allied with anyone but are just nuts?

 

[church mouse guy]

As to the murder rate in London, why do you ask about that? This is a complex issue causatively, but much of it is down to gang knife crime, and the perps and victims there are predominantly black, not Muslim, so not sure how that is germane to the topic.

Oh, I think that the American State Dept. should issue a tourist advisory to warn Americans that they are not welcome in London and that it is dangerous. By the way, the crime statistics in the USA when broken down by race show the same thing that you say about London--most of the crime is black on black. The Democrats do not want safe cities.

 

[Matt Black]

Do you really believe that?

Yes....there is a fairly clear line of causation between the demagoguery of the likes of Tommy Robinson, Southern and Co, and radicalisation leading to political violence ie: terrorism, just as there is such a line between Islamist hate preachers like Abu Hamza and Adnam Choudhary, radicalisation and Islamist terrorism

 

[Matt Black]

What ideology are you talking about? I should think that Islam is much closer to Nazism having been allied to Germany to some extent and having picked up the admiration of Hitler, etc.

What can't you yourself just accept the notion that nuts are not allied with anyone but are just nuts?

I will when you accept the same of brown Muslim nuts

 

[Matt Black]

Oh, I think that the American State Dept. should issue a tourist advisory to warn Americans that they are not welcome in London and that it is dangerous. By the way, the crime statistics in the USA when broken down by race show the same thing that you say about London--most of the crime is black on black. The Democrats do not want safe cities.

Unless said Americans are gang members, then such a warning would be very silly scaremongering

 

[church mouse guy]

Unless said Americans are gang members, then such a warning would be very silly scaremongering

Well, most Americans are moderates and it seems that London is a liberal stronghold that is trying to ban knives, which banning of knives has been a longstanding joke over here, just saying. Londoners said that Trump was not welcome in London so wouldn't it be AOC's kind of town?

 

[church mouse guy]

I will when you accept the same of brown Muslim nuts

There you have gone and put your finger on the problem because when your terrorist is a Muslim without a history of mental illness or some sort of disorder from longtime inbreeding as Muhammad said that it was okay to marry one's first cousin, then you come to grips with the fact that a Muslim has a religious ideology that says that he must kill the Jews and Christians and all others who do not belong to the Islamic religion. You know the verses quite well. And in spite of that, you think that by controlling the speech and writings of people who disagree with you that you can appease the forces of jihad unleashed in the world by Muhammad 1400 years ago. The first American war after we drove out our colonial repressors was to fight the Barbary pirates who liked to attack free trade and kidnap, rape, and enslave, as you know. Muhammad married Alisha when she was six and took her on honeymoon when she was nine. Muhammad was a racists who emphasized his white skin and that the devil looked like a black and that a black would destroy Mecca. However, Muhammad was a military general who developed the idea of total war every minute of time. In summary, the incoherent ideology of a nut who commits the crime of mass murder is not comparable with a person who commits the crime of mass murder in the name of Allah according to the example of Muhammad who killed about 800 Jews and according to the Quran which calls for the slaying of all who will not convert to Islam. That is why England is dangerous.

 

[church mouse guy]

Yes....there is a fairly clear line of causation between the demagoguery of the likes of Tommy Robinson, Southern and Co, and radicalisation leading to political violence ie: terrorism, just as there is such a line between Islamist hate preachers like Abu Hamza and Adnam Choudhary, radicalisation and Islamist terrorism

Really. Tommy Robinson never advocated violence. Southern is a Canadian I think but it would be okay to go to London and pass out a couple of million tracts saying that Jesus is a homosexual, wouldn't it? I mean there is no law against that in London. Do you think that controlling free speech will really protect you from jihadi psychopaths who are planning war against the west night and day? Why don't you change your laws so that no more people can migrate to your island nation?

 

[kyredneck]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

So let's hear your spin on how Trump's to blame for this.

 

[kyredneck]

Christchurch Shooter Praises Communist China, Condemns Conservatism and Capitalism: Media Call Him a Trump Supporter

 

[Matt Black]

So, CMG?What's you point? The OT contains passages endorsing genocide and stoning people to death yet most Jews and Christians don't go round committing those sorts of crimes. Just because some nutters from all three religions take such passages literally and follow through doesn't mean the religion concerned is intrinsically evil per se because of that.

 

[Matt Black]

So let's hear your spin on how Trump's to blame for this.

I havent said that

 

[Matt Black]

Really. Tommy Robinson never advocated violence. Southern is a Canadian I think but it would be okay to go to London and pass out a couple of million tracts saying that Jesus is a homosexual, wouldn't it? I mean there is no law against that in London. Do you think that controlling free speech will really protect you from jihadi psychopaths who are planning war against the west night and day? Why don't you change your laws so that no more people can migrate to your island nation?

If we didn't allow immigrants to come here then my Huguenot ancestors would not have been able to flee Catholic persecution in France and Belgium. Happy with that?

 

[kyredneck]

I havent said that

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[church mouse guy]

If we didn't allow immigrants to come here then my Huguenot ancestors would not have been able to flee Catholic persecution in France and Belgium. Happy with that?

Oh, so the population of that tiny island was always at a high level and secondly the same principle applies forever once it is established. So why don't you move the people of the Gaza to London--I am sure that that would make the rich Germans happier.

 

[church mouse guy]

So, CMG?What's you point? The OT contains passages endorsing genocide and stoning people to death yet most Jews and Christians don't go round committing those sorts of crimes. Just because some nutters from all three religions take such passages literally and follow through doesn't mean the religion concerned is intrinsically evil per se because of that.

Oh, so Christianity and Islam are moral equivalents according to Matt Black and Christians are told by Jesus to murder Jews, etc.