And what would you do the other two weeks?
ktn4eg Would that have been Roy Grisby, in Sembach?
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And what would you do the other two weeks?
ktn4eg Would that have been Roy Grisby, in Sembach?
This is a good post. Of course, Paul supported gender equality in ministry.
And I wouldn't join the military because I cannot be involved in slaughtering other image-bearers at the whim of a government I don't trust. Protection is one thing. Aggression is another.
But that's not the point of this thread, anyway. I think the attitudes I've seen here are unbelievable. Why would you skip the female sermons? Afraid you might learn something from a woman? There is nothing wrong with it, and we won't even be having this conversation in 25 years because evangelicals will be embarrassed they once opposed women in ministry.
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Wouldn't make a bit of difference to me. I have no issue with female chaplains.
God, through Paul, wrote the Scriptural standard here. The idea that He called for "equality in ministry" is wrong. That teaching is a sad result of the sexual revolution. There is equality in salvation. However, people...men and women, have been given different roles in the home and in the church. This is seen clearly when we stop handpicking verses and keep them in context instead. While Galatians 3:28 is a stronghold for the liberal scholars on this issue its context is salvation alone and is not a call to end gender differences in all areas of life. This is seen by God telling us, again through Paul, in Ephesians chapters 5 and 6 how people are to live in their God-ordained roles as husband, wife, parent or child, slave and master. 1 Peter 2 and 3 also addresses our behavior in specific positions.
1 Timothy 2 addresses the authority issue in church, telling us women are not to have authority over men. This is the context that we move into 1 Timothy 3 with. Men alone are to elders. Men and women can be deacons.
Therefore, by refusing to sit under the preaching and teaching of a female chaplain for a church service we are holding to God's own biblical standard. That is a good thing as it honors God, honors His Word, and one would hope it also encourages men and women to do the same.
You are reading these passages through lenses colored by your own perspective. You're the one who isn't reading the passages in their context, and you're the one who is choosing to ignore the passages that do deal with women in ministry. All of the verses you mentioned, when interpreted in light of their context, do not prohibit a woman from fulfilling any role in the Church. Without reading them in their proper historical and grammatical context, you cannot determine what the passage has to say.
And this issue was most certainly not borne out of the sexual revolution. That's just when you began hearing about it.
You are assuming I did not spend a great deal of time studying the passages, including word studies and considering the historical and cultural contexts. You are wrong in that assumption. It is in fact what I did and that was how God led me to no longer believe as you believe now.
jaigner, the difference is that men think with their minds while women think with their hearts. Men are by nature hunters while women are by nature, nesters.
A man's role and responsibility in life are different. Our Lord ordained it that way. Not saying that women should not ever bring forth a message..., it just isn't their responsibility to do so.
Regarding the military you should consider Sgt. York from WW I.
A man's role and responsibility in life are different. Our Lord ordained it that way. Not saying that women should not ever bring forth a message..., it just isn't their responsibility to do so.
Regarding the military you should consider Sgt. York from WW I.
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In other words we need a sort of book in comparison to the pearl of great price or the book of mormons to decipher what the bible means by what it says?
How about just believing what the bible says? When Jesus was questioned about the OT that is what He did.
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Actually, I wouldn't go to a church that allowed women to preach since scripture is clear that they are not to do so.
Agreed.
Although this begs the question, which Salty was getting at earlier.....do we consider the congregation of a post chapel to be a church?
Hmmm...I did the same when God led me to no longer believe as YOU do now. What are we to do, then?
Uh...no. You have no idea what this is about.
With all due respect, this is a baseless generalization, and a nebulous, unclear one at that. It certainly doesn't hold true a majority of the time. Gender roles are not sanctioned by Scripture.
But Jon, you still haven't answered my question. What would you do the weeks the female is preaching? Stay home, - if overseas there isn't much in Christian radio - nothing on AFTV/AFN. Hopefully you would have a computer to at least watch a church service.
Monty, you and I as well as any other GI who served overseas would be best to answer this question.
IMHO - for all intensive purposes, yes the Chapel is the "local church" for the military. Has regular services, provides counseling, ect.
GI's do you agree with me?
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I believe in his profile, Jaigner states that he is Baptist and that he is directing music at a Baptist church.
Really? We wouldn't know that. He hides his entire profile from all of us.
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