Female Chaplains

[Sapper Woody]

I personally hold that women should not be in a pastor position. I would also like to point out that this isn't what the thread is about, so I will not argue as to why. Also, I do view a post chapel as a local church, although there are minor differences, such as it being funded by the government.

With this in mind, I would most likely still attend on the weeks she was preaching if there were no other option. Better to be fed by a sinner than starve.

 

[freeatlast]

Woody, I don't believe that someone who is in sin and rebellion can feed the saints. If a sinner can feed the saints then we might as well attend the JW's or Mormons, or the teachings of Islam. I say that because the Spirit is not the one leading them if they are in sin and rebellion so it would be better to stay home and let the word of God do the feeding instead of subjecting ones self to someone who is not doing the will of God.

 

[HAMel]

With all due respect, this is a baseless generalization, and a nebulous, unclear one at that. It certainly doesn't hold true a majority of the time. Gender roles are not sanctioned by Scripture.

Well then jaigner, I suppose the answer is to just let the women join up as the men will soon be refusing to do so en masse...,

Women will then be defending this nation while the men are home changing diapers.

Yes indeed. A baseless generalization. If gender roles are not sanctioned by Scripture and/or common sense applied, who did the Lord lead to battle over the years? The women?

Your excuse for not joining the military is just as good as any other excuse, I suppose. As for me, I'm a veteran and now too old to re-up..., but I would if I could. Jesus died for our sins...., veterans died for our freedoms.

 

[SaggyWoman]

Really? We wouldn't know that. He hides his entire profile from all of us.

Okay. Hope this doesn't bother you. We can pick and choose what we let others see about us.

 

[matt wade]

Okay. Hope this doesn't bother you. We can pick and choose what we let others see about us.

Yes, actually it does bother me. We can certainly pick and choose what others see about us, and we can do that perfectly fine while still showing the profile page. One thing that should be required of each person on this board is that they display their denomination (though I hold that Baptist isn't a denomination) publicly.

 

[freeatlast]

I believe in his profile, Jaigner states that he is Baptist and that he is directing music at a Baptist church.

Directing music in a Baptist church does not make one a Baptist. Has he been Baptized a Baptist and is his name on the membership role?

 

[SaggyWoman]

Directing music in a Baptist church does not make one a Baptist. Has he been Baptized a Baptist and is his name on the membership role?

You might pose that question to the owner of the website, AndrewT.

 

[Jerome]

Salty, here's a Southern Baptist one to watch out for:

NAMB Endorses New Chaplains

ATLANTA (BP) Twenty eight chaplains were endorsed by the North American Mission Board Sept. 14, bringing the total number of Southern Baptist chaplains to 2,518

First Lt. Paige Heard, an army chaplain serving in Ft. Hood, Texas, echoed DeFoor's sentiment. "God will call you to a place where you aren't comfortable. I get airsick, and I'm serving a helicopter battalion."

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Woody, I don't believe that someone who is in sin and rebellion can feed the saints. If a sinner can feed the saints then we might as well attend the JW's or Mormons, or the teachings of Islam. I say that because the Spirit is not the one leading them if they are in sin and rebellion so it would be better to stay home and let the word of God do the feeding instead of subjecting ones self to someone who is not doing the will of God.

I think you are in sin and rebellion by trying to tell God whom he can and cannot call. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Salty]

Salty, here's a Southern Baptist one to watch out for:

NAMB Endorses New Chaplains

Not sure what you point is, but that article was from 1997. Also they are talking about all kinds of Chaplains - military, jail, fire dept, ect
IMHO, a military chapel is very similar to a local church, wherein a - say fire dept chaplain would not necessarily be so.

I think you are in sin and rebellion by trying to tell God whom he can and cannot call. I feel sorry for you.

So what you are saying is that if a homosexual says he was called to preach, I would be sinning since I would tell him God was in error?

 

[Jerome]

Salty, did you notice the military chaplain quoted in the story is named 'Paige'? Now I know one prominent male CBMW board member/Southern Baptist seminary president sports that androgynous name too, but in this case this Southern Baptist military chaplain named 'Paige' is, yes, a woman [gasp]. And she's still out there, somewhere, ministering to soldiers!

 

[annsni]

I think you are in sin and rebellion by trying to tell God whom he can and cannot call. I feel sorry for you.

It's not a sin to read the Word of God and see His qualifications - and hold the church to His guidelines.

 

[ktn4eg]

Salty, did you notice the military chaplain quoted in the story is named 'Paige'? Now I know one prominent male CBMW board member/Southern Baptist seminary president sports that androgynous name too, but in this case this Southern Baptist military chaplain named 'Paige' is, yes, a woman [gasp]. And she's still out there, somewhere, ministering to soldiers!

I wonder if Page Patterson is turning over in his grave?

 

[Jerome]

IMHO - for all intensive purposes, yes the Chapel is the "local church" for the military.

IMHO, a military chapel is very similar to a local church, wherein a - say fire dept chaplain would not necessarily be so.

Should one consider a chaplain to be his/her pastor?
Strictly speaking, would you say that the NT would view a chaplain to be exactly the same as a local NT church pastor?

The Southern Baptist Endorsement Manual for Chaplains (2010) clearly and pointedly distinguishes the two:

A Southern Baptist who is endorsed to chaplaincy ministries must understand that the context of chaplaincy is beyond the ministry environment of a local church setting. The pastorate ministry occurs within the context of a local church as stated in the Baptist Faith and Message, Article VI. Chaplaincy ministry is usually found in the environment of a particular institution or organization beyond the local church. Chaplaincy affords men and women unique opportunities of ministry. The office of pastor is associated with the pastorate while the office of chaplain is found in chaplaincy ministries. This change of context is a significant point of education for the new chaplain.

Accountability in chaplaincy ministry is not to a church committee or group of deacons. Responsibilities will be assigned to the chaplain by senior chaplains, commanders of military units, hospital administrators, prison wardens, or corporate leaders. While the chaplain’s foremost allegiance is to God the chaplain’s primary accountability in the organization is to the head of the organization or the next person up the chaplain’s chain of supervision. Therefore, hiring, assigning, reassigning, and dismissing of the chaplain is the prerogative of the leadership within the organization being served by the Southern Baptist chaplain This is vastly different than the local church.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Not sure what you point is, but that article was from 1997. Also they are talking about all kinds of Chaplains - military, jail, fire dept, ect
IMHO, a military chapel is very similar to a local church, wherein a - say fire dept chaplain would not necessarily be so.





So what you are saying is that if a homosexual says he was called to preach, I would be sinning since I would tell him God was in error?

It is unbelievable and -- well, I can't think of an appropriate word -- that some of you equate women ministers with homosexual ministers. You should be ashamed.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

It's not a sin to read the Word of God and see His qualifications - and hold the church to His guidelines.

Yes, and those who believe in women ministers are doing that based on the original meaning of the word headship in NT times, location, and context, as I have shown repeatedly. Do I need to post that very revealing link again?

Those who do not believe in women minsters are not doing as you suggest above.

 

[TCGreek]

I have no problem with female chaplains. In fact, recently I sat in an audience and was blessed by the preaching of a female chaplain.

You say that female chaplains are in sin for preaching. What text of Scripture are you basing this on?

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I have no problem with female chaplains. In fact, recently I sat in an audience and was blessed by the preaching of a female chaplain.

You say that female chaplains are in sin for preaching. What text of Scripture are you basing this on?

freeatlast 4:12

 

[Salty]

It is unbelievable and -- well, I can't think of an appropriate word -- that some of you equate women ministers with homosexual ministers. You should be ashamed.

You are putting words in my mouth. Key word = think

 

[Michael Wrenn]

You are putting words in my mouth. Key word = think

The words came out of your mouth -- you were the one who made the analogy of women preachers and homosexual preachers.