Ooo, I see we have switched gears, ok it doesn't discuss his repentance, do we know that every detail is exhaustively told in that story? Can you not think of any passages that tell us repentance is needed? John the Baptist, Jesus, the disciples all preached repentance.
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Filth from Pulpit Traumatizes Church Ladies
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Ooo, I see we have switched gears, ok it doesn't discuss his repentance, do we know that every detail is exhaustively told in that story? Can you not think of any passages that tell us repentance is needed? John the Baptist, Jesus, the disciples all preached repentance.
Yes, I admit it's changing gears, but not really blatantly. Jesus several times forgave without explicit repentance, or in the face of unrepentance. If repentance were so vital, why did the New Testament writers leave it out?
So. Please list all the verses that say we should forgive all those who have wronged us only if they repent and then a list of all the verses that do not specify repentance.
Forgiveness is for our benefit; it is sharing in God's holiness. It frees us from the chains of bitterness that would otherwise beset us if we were to keep a running total of all the wrong things that have been done to us.
If we are to be forgiven, we must forgive. I read that somewhere.
So. Please list all the verses that say we should forgive all those who have wronged us only if they repent and then a list of all the verses that do not specify repentance.
Forgiveness is for our benefit; it is sharing in God's holiness. It frees us from the chains of bitterness that would otherwise beset us if we were to keep a running total of all the wrong things that have been done to us.
If we are to be forgiven, we must forgive. I read that somewhere.
LowOiL
Active Member
Right it was NOT an outlier verse and nether was my previous verses that you obviously didn't like.
It was not off topic because the main person (not you) that I was replying to posted we are to do just like Jesus and I pointed out that God's way required we ask forgiveness (confess our sins)....
Now you have a nice big moderator title under your heading. I assume that you keep the peace here and when required even ban certain people you consider trouble makers. How exactly does that work if you forgive them before you get around to rounding up the bad guys?
If I can't log in tomorrow, I know I asked one too many questions.
If your standard is that if it is to be true it must always be revealed in an explicit way then I cannot help you. However your last statement is completely untrue:
Mat_3:2 “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Mat_11:20 Then he began to denounce the cities where most of his mighty works had been done, because they did not repent.
Mar_1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
Mar_6:12 So they went out and proclaimed that people should repent.
Luk_13:3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Luk_13:5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
Luk_16:30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
Luk_17:4 and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”
Act_2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act_3:19 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,
Act_8:22 Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you.
Act_17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,
Act_26:20 but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance.
What you need to do is to look to God's character in how He deals with us in order to fully understand that.
Scripture please
You are conflating two issues that being 1.) unforgiveness, and 2.) bitterness, one is not the other and the other is not necessary.
We cannot be forgiven without repentance.
Brandon Jones
New Member
Misguided youth who might disrespect me by language or action...do not need my forgiveness; what they need is my compassion. I was once one of those misguided youth. And you know what? There wasn't any amount of angry church people who ever turned me from my ways, but instead the conviction of the Holy Spirit. What kept me around God and his people (church) were a few strong-hearted and thick skinned lions of the faith who were ever-patient and loving with me. THAT is what Christ calls us to be FIRST. How dark and hurting must their hearts be to go into a church and do something like that? Now, what they did is a FAR cry from some physical criminal act that destroys property or injures people. Although I still contend we are called to forgive people who do those things as well, society must hold them to account for the sake of order. Duh. A couple of kids who act up in a worship service? We should get over our snowflake sensibilities and maybe reach back out to them in love versus judgment. Yes, it's wrong what they did; it's hardly the worst thing in the world. Perspective is always necessary when addressing the behavior of others.