Five WORST U.S. Presidents

Can I gather from this that you don't particularly care for Republican Presidents? </font>[/QUOTE]You are right in that I do not vote for republicans, as a general rule. However, I did not consciously choose only republican presidents, it just happens that I often do not agree with their policies.

BTW, I am not particularly fond of L. Johnson and I think that Carter was a descent president although not a great one.

 

Proven by intercepted Soviet cables during the Roosevelt and Truman administrations - Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White, Lauchlin Currie, Laurence Duggan, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler, Klaus Fuchs, Duncan Lee.

 

Some professional opinions...

The Schlessinger polls...

http://www.udayton.edu/~polsci/schles.htm

Another:
http://www.udayton.edu/~polsci/dicleric.htm

Leadership styles and effectiveness:
http://www.udayton.edu/~polsci/whicker.htm

Modified Schlessinger:
http://ragz-international.com/pres.pdf

What most people think, from Zogby polls:
http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=129

The lesson seems to be that knowing a great deal about history will give you a different perspective on who was a great and who was a poor president.

 

I suspect that the presidents who made splashy goofs like Nixon, Bush and Clinton will be treated more kindly in the perspective of history, and the mediocre ones like Ford, Carter, and Bush the elder will be downgraded.

If George W can make the Roadmap for the Middle East work, he'll be listed as one of the greats.

I, too have trouble seeing greatness in my bathroom mirror. But maybe it's not just a problem of perspective.

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;3. Truman : Committed US troops to a no-win war in Korea. His administration was infested with Communists while at the same time we were fighting Communists.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

suppose you name the communists in his administration </font>[/QUOTE]Harry Dexter White - Assistant Secretary of the Treasury: appointed by Truman to lead the IMF.
http://www.chuckmorse.com/imf_founder.html

Alger Hiss: Convicted of spying. He was a State Department official and had been around during the FDR administration also. Chief founding father of the U.N. (Put his name in any search engine and you will find out all that you need to know about him).

Dean Acheson - Secretary of State: Although not a Communist, mainntained his close association with Alger Hiss after Hiss's spying became common knowledge and allowed security at the US
Department of State to remain lax despite evidence of Soviet spies.

Truman's love for Communists was demonstrated during WW2, when he halted the American advance toward Berlin, in order to allow the Soviets to take it. When the Soviets became bogged down and ran out of supplies, he had our forces resupply them. It was Truman more than anyone who was responsible for the divided Germany.

He again showed his colors during the Korean War when he forbade McArthur from bombing the bridges that the Chinese were using to infiltrate the south. McArthur was fired when he violated a gag order and responded to a congressman's question, telling him about being banned from bombing the bridges.

Truman declined to run for reelection in 1952 because of our failure to win in Korea and evidence of Communist infiltration in his own administration.

Thanks for an easy question. I assume that you are comfortable with liar, traitor, and sexual pervert. I also forgot to add rapist to the list.

Abortion is murder, but partial birth abortion is vile and in-your-face infanticide. The baby comes within a couple of inches of being completely free and breathing on it's own, then a hole is punched into it's head and it's brain is vacuumed out. Clinton vetoed the partial birth abortion twice, falsely citing the mother's health as his concern. Few things are more harmful to a woman than a breach birth, and the baby is put into a breach position in order to do the procedure.

There was also Ron Brown, a cabinet official who didn't get an autopsy following his death. He had a neat, round hole in the top of his head, about the size of a 45 slug, not consistant with any type of injury that someone would get from a plane crash.

You know of the Vince Foster controversey also, I am sure. Too many of Clinton's close associates died within a short time for me not to suspect that he had something to do with it all.

Roy

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;During the Vietnam War, LBJ also made sure that Brown & Root received more than its fair share of lucrative contracts to build roads, airports, harbors, military bases, pipelines and barracks from one end of South Vietnam to the other. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

But how did that make Johnson rich? Your proof does not measure up to your claim. I said you would have a hard time proving that Johnson got rich as you claimed. So far, I have not seen any proof of that. The only source of Johnson's wealth that has been identified, to my knowledge is his ownership of TV stations. I have visited his farm and it is modest, as is his house there. So I still ask you, please show how he acquired wealth in the manner you claim.

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You know of the Vince Foster controversey also, I am sure. Too many of Clinton's close associates died within a short time for me not to suspect that he had something to do with it all.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

The Vince Foster "controversy" is a controversy only among the wacko right wingers. And the other things that you mention have no better supporting evidence. You have some far out suspicions that most rational people would not entertain or accept.

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Alger Hiss: Convicted of spying. He was a State Department official and had been around during the FDR administration also. Chief founding father of the U.N. (Put his name in any search engine and you will find out all that you need to know about him).&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

I am relying on memory, so I may be wrong, but I think if you look into it, you will find that Alger Hiss was convicted of perjury and not spying. He spent too short a time in prison to have been convicted of spying.

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Truman declined to run for reelection in 1952 because of our failure to win in Korea and evidence of Communist infiltration in his own administration.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

You don't know why Truman decided not to run. And none of the people you mentioned were ever convicted of spying, nor is there proof that they were communists.

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Truman's love for Communists was demonstrated during WW2, when he halted the American advance toward Berlin, in order to allow the Soviets to take it. When the Soviets became bogged down and ran out of supplies, he had our forces resupply them. It was Truman more than anyone who was responsible for the divided Germany.

He again showed his colors during the Korean War when he forbade McArthur from bombing the bridges that the Chinese were using to infiltrate the south. McArthur was fired when he violated a gag order and responded to a congressman's question, telling him about being banned from bombing the bridges.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

You have been reading too much right wing trash. Truman had no love for communism, and there are other explanations more reasonable for the things you mention.

 

1. Bill Clinton
2. Jimmy Carter
3. George Bush Sr.
4. Lyndon Bane Johnson
5. GW Bush

 

You need to read up on the Venona Project.

 

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• Clinton - A do nothing president.</font>
• George H.W. Bush - Had a great staff, but put lousy justices on the bench and was bereaft of a vision for America</font>
• Carter - Good man, horrible leader</font>
• LBJ - Great political mind, but Vietnam offsets most anything he did positively</font>
• Nixon - As good as it got when it came to foreign policy, but he damaged the reputation of the presidency with Watergate</font>

 

Understandable. McArthur assured Truman that his long years in Asia gave him insights into the "Oriental mind", and that the Chinese would not enter the war, even if he invaded the North.

After that fiasco, Truman understandably lost a lot of confidence in McArthur as an advisor.

Whether McArthur agreed with Truman on what to discuss about American tactics or not, if he had followed his oath of office, he would not have violated a lawful order by his Commander.

McArthur was a brilliant commander, but he was also frequently insubordinate, lied when it seemed useful to him, was desperately jealous of the success of his subordinates, and had deplorable personal morals.

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You need to read up on the Venona Project. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

What I have read so far from the Venona project is that the material is ambiguous and murky still, so that it would be hard to convict specific persons of spying based on the Venona transcripts. If you know anything in the Venona project that identifies individuals without doubt, please post it here.

 

You have never indicated in any of your posts in this forum that you are willing to believe the truth when it is presented to you. Therefore, I sincerely believe that providing you with details would be a waste of time. I imagine you can find sources on the Internet that you can research.

 

Ken, for what it's worth, I'd like to see it.

 

Since you asked, Galatian, I will provide some links -

www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/intercepts.html

www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/index.html