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Flaws of Arminianism
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But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness (pistis = faith), 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. (Galatians 5:22–23)
sooo, Faith is a fruit of the spirit
Hmm
sooo, Faith is a fruit of the spirit
Hmm
Honing in on the Holy Spirit as the “spirit of faith,” George Smeaton observes,
The title “Spirit of faith” that the Holy Ghost is the author of faith; for all men have not faith; that is, it is not given to all, and does not belong to all (2 Thess. 3:2). The designation [Spirit of faith] means that the producing cause of faith is the Holy Spirit, who produces this effect by that invincible call and invitation which accompanies, according to the good pleasure of His will, the external proclamation of the gospel. The faith, therefore, of which He is the author, is not effected by the hearer’s own strength or by the hearer’s own effectual will.(The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit, 68-69)
The title “Spirit of faith” that the Holy Ghost is the author of faith; for all men have not faith; that is, it is not given to all, and does not belong to all (2 Thess. 3:2). The designation [Spirit of faith] means that the producing cause of faith is the Holy Spirit, who produces this effect by that invincible call and invitation which accompanies, according to the good pleasure of His will, the external proclamation of the gospel. The faith, therefore, of which He is the author, is not effected by the hearer’s own strength or by the hearer’s own effectual will.(The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit, 68-69)
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another -faith by the same Spirit - ; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
the Spirit gives us faith to believe
II Thess 3:2 “not all have faith”
9 To another -faith by the same Spirit - ; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
the Spirit gives us faith to believe
II Thess 3:2 “not all have faith”
The locus classicus of the doctrine of faith as a gift of grace is Ephesians 2:8–9.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
This passage not only says that salvation is a gift, received by faith. It also says that faith is a gift. How do we know? Well, this takes a little digging, but in the original language, grace (charis) and faith (pistos) are both feminine nouns. Accordingly, any latter reference to them should also be feminine. But importantly, “gift” in the phrase “it is the gift of God,” which refers back to the earlier part of the verse, is neuter. This means that the gift of God is not pointing back to salvation, or grace, or faith alone, but to all the above. Everything in salvation, including faith is a gift from God.
Ephesians 2:8–9 is arguably the most clear statement that Paul makes about faith as a gift, but it is not the only one. For instance, in Philippians 1:29, we find this statement. “For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake.” Though focusing on the gift of suffering, Paul assumes that suffering for Christ is a gift like faith is a gift.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
This passage not only says that salvation is a gift, received by faith. It also says that faith is a gift. How do we know? Well, this takes a little digging, but in the original language, grace (charis) and faith (pistos) are both feminine nouns. Accordingly, any latter reference to them should also be feminine. But importantly, “gift” in the phrase “it is the gift of God,” which refers back to the earlier part of the verse, is neuter. This means that the gift of God is not pointing back to salvation, or grace, or faith alone, but to all the above. Everything in salvation, including faith is a gift from God.
Ephesians 2:8–9 is arguably the most clear statement that Paul makes about faith as a gift, but it is not the only one. For instance, in Philippians 1:29, we find this statement. “For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake.” Though focusing on the gift of suffering, Paul assumes that suffering for Christ is a gift like faith is a gift.
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A falsehood
False. The gift is having been saved. Faith is only the means of receiving said gift.
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How does faith come or is it innate in a person?
It was JESUS, not I, who said "whoever". Jesus preached to crowds, without favoring one person over another in them.
2 Peter 3:19The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Whom does ALL exclude?
Now, all won't come to repentance, of course, but God leaves the path open to all who will choose it.
According too what you are saying, Gods will is not being done hence He is an imperfect God therefore Not Worthy of Praise. That view is blasphemous
God is perfect, glorious and worthy of Praise
God does not rule in Wisdom, or Power BBB in your view of Him. Your God is weak feeble and frail
RipponRedeaux
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I ask again do you believe Romans 9:18 or not?
I didn't write that, or any other Scripture. I merely quote and believe them. You're hinting that you think some Scriptures are wrong.
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no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. (Matt. 11:27b, Luke 10:22))
For just as the father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. (John 5:21)
All Scripture quoted is from the NIV.
For just as the father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. (John 5:21)
All Scripture quoted is from the NIV.
RipponRedeaux
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Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. (Matt. 13:11)
Jesus used parables in his teaching. He used that method to cloak his message. But he unraveled the truth of the parables to certain ones, including, or primarily, to his disciples.
The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables. (Mark 4:11) See 4:34 also.
Jesus used parables in his teaching. He used that method to cloak his message. But he unraveled the truth of the parables to certain ones, including, or primarily, to his disciples.
The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables. (Mark 4:11) See 4:34 also.
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RipponRedeaux
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Some people cringe at the mention of the elect or election in the Bible. In Mark 13 elect is used three times in three verses 20, 22 and 27.
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I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do. (Luke 10:21)
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Of course; it's a Scripture.
Romans 9: 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.[/color]
Now, we don't know what Pharaoh thought after his force was destroyed in the Red Sea. He could've been like the Ramses played by Yul Brynner in "The Ten Commandments". He was gonna cut off Nefertiri's head, but tosses down his sword & declares of Moses, "His God IS God!"
When Paul first heard of Christianity, he was VERY-hardened against it, til Jesus paid him a visit.
As for my own case, I once viewed worship of God in the same realm as the tooth fairy or Easter bunny. I held the same view od ALL religion. However, my parents were devout Christians, & dragged me to church 3 times a week. When I got older, I almost despised church. But I asked my dad, "Why do you worship God when you have no proof He even exists?" He said, "There's plenty of proof.Look around you. He made everything; even Einstein couldn't make something from nothing. God says the proof of Himself is in the creation. Someone had to make all the atoms & subatomic particles, & make the laws of physics by which they abide. THINK ABOUT IT!"
And I did just that. I started reading Scripture, & the more I read it & researched it, the more I saw it's true. And on Thanxgiving day, 1978, I fully realized I was a sinner, & only JESUS could keep me from hell, & I repented of what I knew was sin, believed in Jesus as God's Son & God Himself, with His Father & the Holy Spirit, and that ONLY HE could make me right with His Father. I sincerely asked Him to accept me into His kingdom & to forgive my sins, & since then, I have thought about Him every day, praised & worshipped Him,thanked Him, & prayed to Him often. I have felt guidance from the Holy Spirit more than once, & have seen 2 actual miracles. I have studied Scripture much, read eleven English Bible translations cover to cover, & learned to reject all man-made doctrines of religion, including this calvinist horse feathers, & believe only the doctrines of faith/worship found in Scripture.
Now, can you name one person God created predestined to hell, with no chance for redemption?
Even Hitler wasn't thus created. He was an ordinary Austrian boy, even thinking about become a RC priest til he chose to believe German nationalists, started dabbling in the occult, & embracing humanist philosophers such as Nietzsche & Houston Stewart Chamberlain(No relation to Neville)
And remember, God said hell was created for the devil & his angels, not intended at first for man.
But anyway, calvinism (and extreme arminianism) are man-made hogwash.
1) Marooncat79 misquotes Ephesians 2:3, changing the fact we were, not are, children of wrath, not hell.
2) Marooncat79 uses the term (hell) but does not indicate whether Hades or Gehenna is in view.
3) Yes, everyone God redeems deserved punishment in the afterlife.
4) Philemon 1:14, (NASB) - but I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion, but of your own free will.
5) No one said God makes robots, but anyone who believes in "exhaustive determinism" believes it all the same.
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