Florida man arrested after he allegedly gave girlfriend a 'wet willy,'

[canadyjd]

Definitely makes for good click bait the way it is presented. They may have purposely left out the details to raise controversy.

I think so too.

 

[Benjamin]

You go ahead and focus on the "wet willy". I'll keep thinking about that little girl watching her mother being man-handled and humiliated by a drunk.

I can't help myself. Must be my dramatic side coming out.

On the contrary my friend, I clearly presented that my focus was looking for evidence that it was violent and gave my opinion that I highly expect that it was more than playful. I even pointed to the words "belligerent drunk" and especially "continued" to give the wet willie as suggesting that likely it was beyond playful (abuse).

You on the other hand have jumped to conclusions not only about it having to be violent abuse with little to no evidence but also appear to be accusatory toward me and others here of not being against abuse.

I just merely broke down the argument...

 

[canadyjd]

On the contrary my friend, I clearly presented that my focus was looking for evidence that it was violent and gave my opinion that I highly expect that it was more than playful. I even pointed to the words "belligerent drunk" and especially "continued" to give the wet willie as suggesting that likely it was beyond playful (abuse).

You on the other hand have jumped to conclusions not only about it having to be violent abuse with little to no evidence but also appear to be accusatory toward me and others here of not being against abuse.

I just merely broke down the argument...

What conclusion did I jump to concerning this case?

 

[Jerome]

Wow, so much misunderstanding of the law in this thread.

The article says: "Sireci was arrested on a battery charge."

.Assault vs. Battery

the terms “assault” and “battery”...have two distinct definitions

Assault can be basically defined as a threat to do bodily harm upon another person.

Battery is defined as touching or striking another person against their will....Under Florida Law, a misdemeanor battery occurs when one person intentionally touches or strikes another person without their consent....there is no requirement that the touch or strike cause physical injury. The alleged victim need only provide testimony that they were touched by someone else against their will. As such, arrests for battery can be made in a variety of situations ranging from simple horseplay, to dangerous brawls.

 

[Benjamin]

What conclusion did I jump to concerning this case?

What I did was discussed the evidence and you jumped to the conclusion that simply grabbing her wrist determined abuse, and are adamant about it. In fact ,I also even addressed that grabbing someone to give a wet willie would be a typical playful way of doing it along with a sneak attack SO your basing abuse merely on grabbing her wrist is making a judgment without enough evidence. I don't know, but there seems to have something else behind this obsession to rush to judgment...

Assault, plain and simple. He was drunk. He "grabbed her wrist" and shoved his finger in her ear. Domestic abuse. A must arrest.

Dude, I don't want to jump to conclusions but it really does seem this wet willie stuff strikes a nerve with you.

Again, for instance, I understood where the Rev Mitchell was coming from with the expression “slapped” (“If it was JUST a wet willie”) but you jumped to another conclusion on him:

I'm surprised you encourage violence against a victim of domestic abuse. That, of course, is the next step, just slap her around if she dares to press charges for the "little, funny abuse".

Then you start to beg the question on your jumped to conclusions and hyperbole the events:

This woman was assaulted in front of her daughter. She was grabbed. She was held against her will. He shoved his finger in her ear.

How do you know that he didn’t simply playfully grab her and give her the DREADED WET WILLIE in front of her daughter?!

What evidence do you have that he was violently assaulting her and abusive? That was point. There is not enough information to determine the actual events as being truly violent or just an arrest over a playful wet willie.

Such drama! I hope I’m never around if someone give you a wet willie…

 

[Jerome]

minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/10/20/mankato-man-charged-with-giving-cop-a-wet-willy/

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) – A wet-willy has landed a man in trouble with police. Police told our sister station in Mankato that 24-year-old Riley Swearingen put his pointer finger in an officer’s ear while waiting in line for a bus early Saturday morning....Swearingen apologized before a judge Monday and agreed to plead guilty to the misdemeanor to avoid a felony charge.

 

[Jerome]

wfsb.com/story/29719398/pd-man-charged-after-giving-4-year-old-a-wet-willy

Shelton police have charged a man who they said stuck his finger in a 4-year-old boy’s ear. Police said 34-year-old Michael Migani put his finger in his mouth and then stuck it in the ear of a 4-year-old....This act is also commonly known as a “wet willy.” The incident happened in the waiting room of a business on Center Street, while the child was playing with his mother, police said. When Migani was confronted by the mother and staff, he fled in his vehicle and was stopped by Shelton police.

 

[Jerome]

cbsnews.com/news/mavs-delonte-west-fined-25k-for-wet-willie/

(CBS/AP) Delonte West has been fined $25,000 for sticking his finger in Gordon Hayward's ear during Monday's triple-overtime Dallas-Utah game, the league announced Wednesday. While many observers recognized the childish move as a "wet willie," the league is calling it a "physical taunt." Hayward said he initially felt like ripping West's finger off and fighting him after he jabbed it into Hayward's right ear. "I wanted to fight right there, but you can't do that," Hayward said

 

[Benjamin]

Wow! It seems pretty annoying but felony wet willie??? That's crazy! I've seen a few people get one and a long time ago some girl gave me one and to be honest I didn't like someone sticking their slobber into my ear, but then she was pretty cute so I didn't mind that much.

I used to have fun lightly touching a person's hair to make them think their was a bug crawling in their hair, but by definition I guess that "horse play touching" was a battery bug impersonation offense.

 

[canadyjd]

What I did was discussed the evidence and you jumped to the conclusion that simply grabbing her wrist determined abuse, and are adamant about it. In fact ,I also even addressed that grabbing someone to give a wet willie would be a typical playful way of doing it along with a sneak attack SO your basing abuse merely on grabbing her wrist is making a judgment without enough evidence. I don't know, but there seems to have something else behind this obsession to rush to judgment...



Dude, I don't want to jump to conclusions but it really does seem this wet willie stuff strikes a nerve with you.

Again, for instance, I understood where the Rev Mitchell was coming from with the expression “slapped” (“If it was JUST a wet willie”) but you jumped to another conclusion on him:



Then you start to beg the question on your jumped to conclusions and hyperbole the events:



How do you know that he didn’t simply playfully grab her and give her the DREADED WET WILLIE in front of her daughter?!

What evidence do you have that he was violently assaulting her and abusive? That was point. There is not enough information to determine the actual events as being truly violent or just an arrest over a playful wet willie.

Such drama! I hope I’m never around if someone give you a wet willie…

Grabbing her wrist is battery and abuse. Yes, I am adamant. The evidence is the woman's statement, as well as the daughter's statement that she witnessed the incident. The woman and her daughter believed it was abusive.

I admit that you seem to have far more experience with "wet willies" than I do. I didn't really know there are several techniques that people use to deliver the "dreaded willy."

Maybe you should contact the abuser and offer to testify as an expert witness at his trial.

"Your Honor, in my expert opinion concerning the wet willy, known in the scientific community as 'wettious wilious' there is not enough evidence to determine if there was true violence in the delivery of the wet willy. Just grabbing her wrist, without leaving marks, is not battery or abuse, despite what the laws say. This is simply a case of over reaction and hyperbole to a unskillfully executed wet willy. It was just a playful joke. The woman and her daughter have a hyper sensitive reaction to what was playful contact with the boyfriend."

 

[Use of Time]

Wow! It seems pretty annoying but felony wet willie??? That's crazy! I've seen a few people get one and a long time ago some girl gave me one and to be honest I didn't like someone sticking their slobber into my ear, but then she was pretty cute so I didn't mind that much.

I used to have fun lightly touching a person's hair to make them think their was a bug crawling in their hair, but by definition I guess that "horse play touching" was a battery bug impersonation offense.

It’s almost like you wrote a bunch of stuff that was wrong while candy was right the whole time. Perhaps an apology to her for her your arrogant condescension is in order.

It’s pretty simple. Keep your hands to yourself. Why is that so hard for people to understand? You touched peoples hair to make them think a bug was in there. Wow you are a riot! That is so funny!

 

[atpollard]

It’s pretty simple. Keep your hands to yourself. Why is that so hard for people to understand? You touched peoples hair to make them think a bug was in there. Wow you are a riot! That is so funny!

That makes for a tough choice. If I continue to kiss my wife 'goodbye' before leaving for work every morning, I will statistically live 10 years longer ... but every kiss risks a 'battery' charge if she didn't want to be kissed that morning. Live 10 years vs 'misdemeanor battery' ... decisions, decisions.

 

[atpollard]

Perhaps an apology to her for her your arrogant condescension is in order.

[Luke 6:42 NIV] 42 How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

 

[Use of Time]

That makes for a tough choice. If I continue to kiss my wife 'goodbye' before leaving for work every morning, I will statistically live 10 years longer ... but every kiss risks a 'battery' charge if she didn't want to be kissed that morning. Live 10 years vs 'misdemeanor battery' ... decisions, decisions.

Are you seriously trying to compare kissing your wife goodbye to a drunken man grabbing his wife’s wrist and sticking his finger in her ear? One is mutual and the other is not. And you guys wonder why #metoo became a thing.

 

[Use of Time]

[Luke 6:42 NIV] 42 How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Because he has a pine tree sticking out of his and it keeps getting in my eye.

 

[atpollard]

Are you seriously trying to compare kissing your wife goodbye to a drunken man grabbing his wife’s wrist and sticking his finger in her ear? One is mutual and the other is not. And you guys wonder why #metoo became a thing.

You compared "a drunken man grabbing his [girlfriend's] wrist and sticking his finger in her ear" to "touching people's hair" ... so I compared "touching people's hair" to "kissing my wife goodbye". I think that touching hair and kissing are indeed similar and both meet the narrowest definition of "battery" (touching someone without consent).

It was a reductio ad absurdum aimed at exposing the flaw in equating all touch with battery. I am not defending abuse, I am manning the wall against Social Justice Warriors on the BAPTISTBOARD. Every man who touches any woman is not guilty of battery ... contrary to what some here appear to be claiming!

 

[Use of Time]

You compared "a drunken man grabbing his [girlfriend's] wrist and sticking his finger in her ear" to "touching people's hair" ... so I compared "touching people's hair" to "kissing my wife goodbye". I think that touching hair and kissing are indeed similar and both meet the narrowest definition of "battery" (touching someone without consent).

It was a reductio ad absurdum aimed at exposing the flaw in equating all touch with battery. I am not defending abuse, I am manning the wall against Social Justice Warriors on the BAPTISTBOARD. Every man who touches any woman is not guilty of battery ... contrary to what some here appear to be claiming!

You are manning a wall made of straw. I didn’t compare hair touching to kissing. Nobody equated all touching to battery. Another straw man. Why can’t people read. I was just making fun of how not funny his practical jokes were.

Also there is a word called consent that you might want to look up. Or a myriad of case law to support this as Jerome has posted. There are lots of hills to die on in the great crusade against social justice but the defense of the wet willie might be the dumbest one I’ve ever seen.

 

[atpollard]

You are manning a wall made of straw. I didn’t compare hair touching to kissing. Nobody equated all touching to battery. Another straw man. Why can’t people read. I was just making fun of how not funny his practical jokes were.

Also there is a word called consent that you might want to look up. Or a myriad of case law to support this as Jerome has posted. There are lots of hills to die on in the great crusade against social justice but the defense of the wet willie might be the dumbest one I’ve ever seen.

You are manning a wall made of straw. I didn’t compare hair touching to kissing.

Good grief, do we really need to teach reading comprehension?

Here is what you actually said and the general topic of this conversation:

Grabbing her wrist is battery and abuse. Yes, I am adamant. The evidence is the woman's statement, as well as the daughter's statement that she witnessed the incident. The woman and her daughter believed it was abusive.

Here is your comment which I referenced:

It’s pretty simple. Keep your hands to yourself. Why is that so hard for people to understand? You touched peoples hair to make them think a bug was in there. Wow you are a riot! That is so funny!

Here is what I accused you of:

You compared "a drunken man grabbing his [girlfriend's] wrist and sticking his finger in her ear" to "touching people's hair" ...

NOTE CAREFULLY THAT I MADE NO CLAIMS ABOUT YOU COMPARING "hair touching to kissing".

Here is what I said about comparing "hair touching to kissing":

... so I compared "touching people's hair" to "kissing my wife goodbye". I think that touching hair and kissing are indeed similar and both meet the narrowest definition of "battery" (touching someone without consent).

I CLAIMED THAT I COMPARED THE TWO IN RESPONSE TO THE COMPARISON THAT YOU MADE.

Nobody equated all touching to battery. Another straw man.

Really? It sure sounds that way here:

It’s pretty simple. Keep your hands to yourself. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

Why can’t people read.

My thoughts, exactly.

Also there is a word called consent that you might want to look up.

So I need to wake my sleeping wife and get her consent before kissing her on the cheek and heading off to work? Since I cannot prove verbal consent if challenged in a court of law, should I get her consent in writing, just to be safe? Remember: "It’s pretty simple. Keep your hands to yourself. Why is that so hard for people to understand?"

There are lots of hills to die on in the great crusade against social justice but the defense of the wet willie might be the dumbest one I’ve ever seen.

Then it is a good thing that I am defending the right of people to hold a contradictory opinion, and not the right of a drunken fool to give a wet willie.

 

[Use of Time]

Nevermind.

 

[canadyjd]

Good grief, do we really need to teach reading comprehension?

Here is what you actually said and the general topic of this conversation:


Here is your comment which I referenced:


Here is what I accused you of:


NOTE CAREFULLY THAT I MADE NO CLAIMS ABOUT YOU COMPARING "hair touching to kissing".

Here is what I said about comparing "hair touching to kissing":

I CLAIMED THAT I COMPARED THE TWO IN RESPONSE TO THE COMPARISON THAT YOU MADE.



Really? It sure sounds that way here:




My thoughts, exactly.



So I need to wake my sleeping wife and get her consent before kissing her on the cheek and heading off to work? Since I cannot prove verbal consent if challenged in a court of law, should I get her consent in writing, just to be safe? Remember: "It’s pretty simple. Keep your hands to yourself. Why is that so hard for people to understand?"



Then it is a good thing that I am defending the right of people to hold a contradictory opinion, and not the right of a drunken fool to give a wet willie.

Benjamin stated he liked to lightly touch people's hair to make them think there was a bug in it. That was what Use of Time was referring to, not what I said.