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For the Calvi's -- Do you hold to double predestination?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Greektim, Aug 22, 2011.

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  1. jbh28

    jbh28 Active Member

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    The problem that I have with some definitions of double predestination(some, not all) is that it appears that the sin has nothing to do with a person's penalty.
     
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    Thank you for not taking the bait to hijack or rabbit trail this thread.

    What are your thoughts on the passages I quoted above?
     
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    Their Scripture! :)

    I do see God's predestination. But a person isn't predestined to hell outside of his sin. Really, both systems(unless one denies the omniscience of God) has to deal with this issue. Both have God creating a person(say, Hitler) knowing that they will end up in hell. Why did God create that person? Romans 9

    Hope that answers your question. :)
     
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    NO!
    The Cross of Christ, His death on it, paid the Sin debt for infants, mentally challenged, basically those who have NOT yet been personally accountible to God yet for the sins, that God forbades them until/when they go to "age of accountibility"

    That is my humble opinion...
     
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    This is another dispensation of salvation.
     
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    the ONLY requirement God places on having the grace of the Cross effectually applied to ones behalf is to receive Jesus by faith!

    God , knowing adult sinners are spiritually dead/blind, grants enabling Grace to His elect to become saved...
    In a similiar fashion, He can decide to decree that those like children/challenged also will have atonement of the Cross applied to their behalf!
     
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    You said "everyone" is headed to hell, so it's a legitimate question.
     
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    Well, you got one part right. It is your "opinion". There is no such scripture to back it up though.
     
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    I think a better question is why did Hitler rebel against his creator?

    Was it his choice to do so? Or did God ordain his rebellion and unbelief? Did God ordain his hatred of the Jews? Did God ordain his annihilation of them?
     
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    No, to double predestination.

    All the elect will be saved,,,to the other.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    My view allows for King david to "go to be with his on", and for jesus to have :their Guardian Angels" watching over the kids...

    Do you think God saves just 'some" of kids or none of them?
     
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    OK define it
     
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    I agree :thumbsup:
     
    #34 Earth Wind and Fire, Aug 23, 2011
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    I believe God has an age of accountability for children that only He knows. Infants are not held spiritually accountable for sins since they have no knowledge of "their right hand from their left". All die physically in Adam, including infants.

    But there is a difference between spiritual death and physical death.
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: BINGO!!!!!
     
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    Was it his choice to do so? YES

    Or did God ordain his rebellion and unbelief? NO

    Did God ordain his hatred of the Jews? NO

    Did God ordain his annihilation of them? NO

    Easy Peasey! :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Apostle Paul did the same exact thing as Saul of Tarsus. What's your point?

    Israel now is New Jerusalem, the Church, the body of Christ, etc. Not the nation of Israel.



    I tend to agree with this, unless you are saying that God caused it to happen by His decree,IOW, they had no other choice than to do it, which places the cause of this sin in God's lap.
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Don.....no Calvinist is going to dispute those statements.
     
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