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For the Calvi's -- Do you hold to double predestination?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Greektim, Aug 22, 2011.

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  1. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
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    Eviscerating doctrine not to your liking is never a good practice WD.
     
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    ...and when I see that being done, you'll be the first person notified.

    I bet you have also miraculously heard a baby audibly speaking lies and have seen one born with fangs like an asper...
     
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    Ah.....But my friend.....when i want a doctrinal base...I use romans 3..and
    Romans 5... 1cor15;22 .they are never contradicted anywhere....

    There is an over abundance of support texts...I just picked one of dozens...

    I believe you only look at one side.....when we personally sin....no one disputes that. agreed?

    So what is at issue is....the fall....what actually happened....In the day you eat.....dying thou shalt surely die



    not poetic language....tragically it is exact and to the point.....

    He died that day:thumbsup: do you see it? Nothing says well later on you will die physically....he died that day...there is spiritual death...he was seperated that day.......and we are conceived in sin...as sinners..we were constituted sinners in Adam

    Webdog...let me try this ...against my better judgement to some extent...
    you have children......did they sin and rebel...before they could speak???

    did they fight over the one toy..when there was 100 toys in the room?

    Sin and rebellion...are sin and rebellion.....God's mercy can cover anyone he desires to cover..in what ever way he purposes.:wavey:
     
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    That begs the question, why can't they? You ae falsely assuming they were created that way.
     
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    No joke. It is commonly interpreted that the number refers to children since the 120,000 obviously refers to a select group of people within the city of Nineveh who did not know right from wrong.

    So you actually blew away your own argument.
     
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    Do you have an example from scripture where adults do not know right from wrong?

    I can only think of Romans 1 in which Paul makes it CLEAR that adults know right from wrong and willingly choose to sin and refuse to honor God or acknowledge Him AS God.
     
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    Romans 4:15, 5:13 answer your children analogy to a t.
     
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  8. Amy.G

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    And that is the sin "nature" inherited from Adam rearing it's ugly head. But I think I can safely say that WD did not throw his children out in the cold and separate himself from them.
    Now when they are teenagers? That's a different story. They will be accountable then.
     
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    Amy,you are right. I looked briefly at the comments of Calvin,Gill,Henry and Barnes and they all agree with you. I was too premature in my evaluation. Please forgive me.
     
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    No problem Rippon. :1_grouphug:
     
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    Yes
    Yes

    yes
    yes
     
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    Hay Rip, it's good to see you in the good fight. Looks like you took one on the chin here. I know how it feels.
     
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    Not relevant with God in time. It's still not outside of them being a sinner on their way to hell. So I'm not ignoring anything but in fact realizing that while God is eternal, we are in time.
     
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    Still waiting for someone (aka jbh28) to respond to Rom. 9:21-22 teaching double predestination. I understand your point in that people "send themselves to hell" by sinning. But doesn't Paul teach that they were created for that purpose... to go to hell... thus making God the final arbiter of who is chosen unto salvation and chosen unto destruction???
     
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