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For Those that Think COVID-19 is Like the Flu...

Reynolds

Reynolds

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Earth Wind and Fire said:
Ok then, go back to work... but not here, it guarantees diseases will be spread... so go do your duty to all concerned and if you get a disease you are on your own.
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Its going to play out like this.
1. Quarantine
2. Wreck the economy
3. Lift the quarantine
4. Virus spreads and kills huge numbers.
5. Virus killed who it would have killed anyway AND economy lies in shambles.

If this really is a war against the virus, we win by fighting, not by hiding.
 
Reynolds

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Foot ball, basket ball, hockey,soccer, etc are all blood sports.
Who cares what the man does with his horses!
 
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KenH said:
Everywhere in the U.S. is not New York City or other large cities.

This single-minded focus that we should pay any price to stop COVID-19 so there are no new cases or no deaths is beyond the pale.

Let’s look at what a future history book might contain about the year 2020 in the United States if the “COVID-19 must be our only focus” crowd hold sway:

“In the year 2020, the United States adopted a single focus mindset to do whatever was necessary to stop COVID-19. By doing so, deaths were held down to 30,000 during 2020. The resulting collapse of the U.S. and world economies, which caused such chaos that sanitation, water works, food production and distribution, as well as pretty much all facets of modern life came crashing down, resulted in 50 million deaths in the U.S. alone. However, the U.S. met its goal of holding down the number of COVID-19 deaths.”

Like I said, it is not a single front “war”.
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Wuhan wasn’t New York either yet here we are with a “worldwide” pandemic.
 
InTheLight

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davidtaylorjr said:
There is also the issue of who is being counted in this death toll. Just because someone has COVID-19, just like if someone has the Flu, does not mean they died because of that disease. My guess is that some of these numbers are inflated.
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People get added to the death toll who die of the flu but have underlying conditions. It happens every year.

For example, there was at least one death in KY and the person was in the hospital for a stroke and heart attack yet they added him to the COVID-19 toll. I hardly find that plausible that it was COVID-19 that killed him.
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Anecdotal evidence of one instance is not data. I know you know this.
 
KenH

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davidtaylorjr said:
My guess is that some of these numbers are inflated.
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CDC guidance has already said to count deaths as COVID-19 deaths even if there is no proof. Basically, saying to list it as such if you “think” it is.

“In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely.” - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
 
Reformed1689

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InTheLight said:
There certainly is enough data to know the velocity that this thing travels through the population is like nothing we've ever seen. The chart clearly shows that.
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Again, I don't think all the deaths they are attributing to COVID-19 are really COVID-19 deaths.

And there was also an interesting article in the UK Spectator last week about how deaths are reported and flu deaths often are not counted.

How deadly is coronavirus? It's still far from clear

So no, there is not enough data.
 
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Scott Downey

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davidtaylorjr said:
Actually they have not verified that yet.
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If there is no acquired immunity, then there is only death for everyone. As long as this does not evolve-mutate too much there is immunity. People who recover develop antibodies to the virus, it is why they get better. It is why they are asking for plasma donors who recovered to use their plasma as a treatment.

Lets stick to the facts, for example this
The 'certified recovered' from Covid-19 could lead the economic recovery - STAT
 
KenH

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Use of Time said:
Wuhan wasn’t New York either yet here we are with a “worldwide” pandemic.
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Comparing one densely populated area to another densely populated area means nothing about conditions in most of the United States which is not densely populated.
 
InTheLight

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KenH said:
It is not in every town. It is not in every county. And certainly in most places it is not like it is in NYC-New Jersey.
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Another difference between the flu and COVID-19 is that COVID-19 is roughly twice as contagious as flu. That is, the flu typically gets passed to 1.3 people for every person that has it, whereas COVID-19 gets passed to 2.5 people for every person that has it.
 
KenH

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InTheLight said:
Who do we want in charge of fixing it when the dust settles? Trump or Biden?
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So many people: “Please save us, Mr. Government, from this virus! We’ll let you have any power and give up any liberty you demand.” Then, after Mr. Government crashes the economy in fighting the virus, “Please save us, Mr. Government, from this economic collapse. We’ll let you have any power and give up any liberty you demand.”
 
Reynolds

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InTheLight said:
People get added to the death toll who die of the flu but have underlying conditions. It happens every year.



Anecdotal evidence of one instance is not data. I know you know this.
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I saw a doctor on the news fussing because he was having to list flu deaths a covid 19 deaths.
 
Reformed1689

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InTheLight said:
Another difference between the flu and COVID-19 is that COVID-19 is roughly twice as contagious as flu. That is, the flu typically gets passed to 1.3 people for every person that has it, whereas COVID-19 gets passed to 2.5 people for every person that has it.
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To make this claim you have to compare it to when the flu first came about.
 
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