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For Whom Did Christ Die?

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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
No, you made a statement not in the text, you expound it, im not bailing you out. If you cant expound what you say, dont say it. Its noting to disagree about, you made a flat out false comment
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it isn't false.
if you understand it so well, stop pretending that you have the help that you so desperately say i need.

Share with us your infinite wisdom!:Rolleyes
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
You shouldn't add to scripture
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Mankind is purchased with the blood of Christ. there is no other purchase. you are unwilling to see it because it shows error in your sacred beliefs of Calvinism.
Unable to come up with any answer, you continue to say that since it is not in the verses in question, it is not true at all.
It is like denying the virgin birth because it isn't in John 1
 
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Brightfame52

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Ben1445 said:
Notes on the Old Testament, Explanatory and Practical

By Albert Barnes, originally published 1832-1872.

These considerations seem to me to make it clear that Peter referred here to the Lord Jesus Christ, and that he meant to say that the false teachers mentioned held doctrines which were in fact a denial of that Saviour. He does not specify particularly what constituted such a denial; but it is plain that any doctrine which represented him, his person, or his work, as essentially different from what was the truth, would amount to such a denial. If he was Divine, and that fact was denied, making him wholly a different being; if he actually made an expiatory sacrifice by his death, and that fact was denied, and he was held to be a mere religious teacher, changing essentially the character of the work which he came to perform; if he, in some proper sense, "bought" them with his blood, and that fact was denied in such a way that according to their views it was not strictly proper to speak of him as having bought them at all, which would be the case if he were a mere prophet or religious teacher, then it is clear that such a representation would be in fact a denial of his true nature and work. That some of these views entered into their denial of him is clear, for it was with reference to the fact that he had "bought" them, or redeemed them, that they denied him.



The Pulpit Commentary

Published circa 1890. Edited by H.D.M. Spence, D.D., Joseph S. Exell, M.A.


Even denying the Lord that bought them; literally, as in the Revised Version, denying even the Master that bought them. The word for "Master" (despothv) implies that the deniers stand to the Lord in the relation of slaves, bondservants. The Lord had bought them; they were not their own, but his, bought with a price, "not with corruptible things, as silver and gold, but with the precious blood of Christ" 1Pe 1:18; see also the parallel passage. [Jude 4] These words plainly assert the universality of the Lord's redemption. He "tasted death for every man", [Heb 2:9] even for those false teachers who denied him. The denial referred to may have been doctrinal or practical; most of the ancient forms of heresy involved some grave error as to the Person of Christ; and the germs of these errors appeared very early in the Church,2 denying sometimes the Godhead of our Lord, sometimes the truth of his humanity. But St. Peter may mean the practical denial of Christ evinced in an ungodly and licentious life. The latter form of denial appears most prominent in this chapter; probably the apostle intended to warn his readers against both. It is touching to remember that he had himself denied the Lord, though indeed the price with which our souls were bought had not then been paid; but his denial was at once followed by a deep and true repentance. The Lord's loving look recalled him to himself; his bitter tears proved the sincerity of his contrition.



Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible

1706-1721

Damnable heresies are commonly brought in privily, under the cloak and colour of truth. Those who introduce destructive heresies deny the Lord that bought them. They reject and refuse to hear and learn of the great teacher sent from God, though he is the only Saviour and Redeemer of men, who paid a price sufficient to redeem as many worlds of sinners as there are sinners in the world.



It is a widely accepted understanding, Unless like Gill you come the the Scripture determining what it must mean over what it says. I use Gill often but when Calvinism comes up, he will correct Scripture every time to make it say what it needs to, in order for Calvinism to be established.
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Okay, where does it say in the text, they were bought by the blood of Christ ?
 
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Brightfame52

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Ben1445 said:
it isn't false.
if you understand it so well, stop pretending that you have the help that you so desperately say i need.

Share with us your infinite wisdom!:Rolleyes
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It is false, nothing about the blood of Jesus in the text, its assumed. And no Im not sharing anything with you, everything I have showed you from scripture, you say its wrong. Now you wrong
 
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Ben1445

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JesusFan said:
Limited though, as e are constrained and bound by our sin natures
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we are under sin as under a master. when we are freed from sin, we are under a new master. We are given a free and open invitation to change masters. because atonement has already been made for sin, there is nothing left for us to do but change masters. Jesus conquered the sin already.
 
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JesusFan

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Ben1445 said:
we are under sin as under a master. when we are freed from sin, we are under a new master. We are given a free and open invitation to change masters. because atonement has already been made for sin, there is nothing left for us to do but change masters. Jesus conquered the sin already.
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We will not want to accept Jesus as new master though, as we delight in being own own "God"
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
It is false, nothing about the blood of Jesus in the text, its assumed. And no Im not sharing anything with you, everything I have showed you from scripture, you say its wrong. Now you wrong
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you didn't show me anything. You denied that the Lord bought them with His blood because it is not explicitly stated in the text. But you don't know anything else so you are forced to be silent.
 
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Brightfame52

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Ben1445 said:
you didn't show me anything. You denied that the Lord bought them with His blood because it is not explicitly stated in the text. But you don't know anything else so you are forced to be silent.
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You havent shown me that the false teachers were bought with the blood of Christ, thats my point
 
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Silverhair

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Zaatar71 said:
Christians have held these teachings from scripture throughout history, It looks as if you just desire to oppose truth, You are free to do that. All men cannot be saved, When Jesus died on the cross millions had already died without a saving knowledge of Him. Your ideas are your own, and not scriptural!
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So ZA you being so smart please enlighten me as to what other way that through the grace of God can one be saved?

Are you going to tell me that the the propitiation, the atoning work of Christ Jesus was not sufficient to cover all the sins of all humanity?

What truth am I opposing ZA?

But then I did say that you being a calvinist would not agree with the word of God so I am not surprised with your comment.
 
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Silverhair

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JesusFan said:
Limited though, as e are constrained and bound by our sin natures
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We cannot choose to flap our arms and fly but we can choose to board an airplane and fly.

Just as we cannot save ourselves but we can choose to trust in the one who can and thus be saved.
 
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Silverhair said:
So ZA you being so smart please enlighten me as to what other way that through the grace of God can one be saved?

Are you going to tell me that the the propitiation, the atoning work of Christ Jesus was not sufficient to cover all the sins of all humanity?

What truth am I opposing ZA?

But then I did say that you being a calvinist would not agree with the word of God so I am not surprised with your comment.
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The question on the atonement has nothing to do with the sufficiency. The perfect atonement is not the question. The extent of the actual atonement is what you and others go off track on.
 
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