For Whom Did Christ Die?

[Brightfame52]

It is evident in 2 Peter 2:1 that Jesus did pay for the sins of people who receive destruction and not eternal life.
The real blasphemy is that God’s mercy calls for all men everywhere to turn to Him, but you deny that God’s mercy is able to reach all sinners and that His blood answers for all sin.

That scripture says nothing about them being bought with the blood of Christ.

 

[Silverhair]

They were given to Christ b4 they come and believe and why they believe. Notice Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

The had given them to Him before they shall come to Him. Shall denotes future tense, the giving was past tense

Putting salvation before faith. You have a strange way of understanding the word of God.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Note the order BF. First you have to hear, then you have to believe, then you are saved.

 

[Ben1445]

Yes indeed. Jesus has purchased the rights to all flesh, if any are saved, it is because Jesus saves them. The others are left to face the just consequences of their sin.

You FINALLY see it!!!

I’m glad you understand what propitiation is now.

I knew you could believe it!!

 

[Brightfame52]

@Ben1445

Why do the false teachers, that were bought by Christ’s blood, receive destruction?

Where do you see "bought with Christs Blood" at ?

 

[Ben1445]

That scripture says nothing about them being bought with the blood of Christ.

Tell me what they were bought with. ???

 

[Brightfame52]

Tell me what they were bought with. ???

Thats your responsibility, you brought up the verse, stating something it doesnt say. You have to prove from scripture Jesus bought them with His Blood.

 

[Silverhair]

That scripture says nothing about them being bought with the blood of Christ.

What do you think the words "the Lord who bought them," means BF?

Are you not the one that keeps saying the we are bought by the blood of Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

Putting salvation before faith. You have a strange way of understanding the word of God.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Note the order BF. First you have to hear, then you have to believe, then you are saved.

Again they were given prior to coming. Also Jn 10 says they are Sheep b4 they hear Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have[present tense], which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear[future tense] my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[Silverhair]

Thats your responsibility, you brought up the verse, stating something it doesnt say. You have to prove from scripture Jesus bought them with His Blood.

@Ben1445 notice how they will deny scripture but then cannot support what they say.

 

[Brightfame52]

What do you think the words "the Lord who bought them," means BF?

Are you not the one that keeps saying the we are bought by the blood of Christ.

It has to be studied. But I know it says nothing about the blood of Christ, that has to be proven, which isnt my burden since I didnt bring it up

 

[Brightfame52]

@Ben1445 notice how they will deny scripture but then cannot support what they say.

Where does 2 Pet 2:1 mention anything about being bought with blood ? Thats adding to the text

 

[Silverhair]

Again they were given prior to coming. Also Jn 10 says they are Sheep b4 they hear Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have[present tense], which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear[future tense] my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

That is not what those verses say BF. Once again you are denying clear scripture.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Note the order BF. First you have to hear, then you have to believe, then you are saved.

 

[Brightfame52]

That is not what those verses say BF. Once again you are denying clear scripture.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Note the order BF. First you have to hear, then you have to believe, then you are saved.

Again they were given prior to coming. Also Jn 10 says they are Sheep b4 they hear Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have[present tense], which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear[future tense] my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[Silverhair]

It has to be studied. But I know it says nothing about the blood of Christ, that has to be proven, which isnt my burden since I didnt bring it up

You are funny BF. You continue to deny the clear word of God.

Did Christ lay down $50 to by those false teachers BF? Or did He pay the full price via His blood so that even they could be saved through faith in Him?

Your continued denial of the truth of God's word is troubling to say the least.

 

[Brightfame52]

A Sheep belongs to Christ long b4 they shall hear His voice and believe Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

They believe upon hearing Acts 15:7

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

 

[Brightfame52]

You are funny BF. You continue to deny the clear word of God.

Did Christ lay down $50 to by those false teachers BF? Or did He pay the full price via His blood so that even they could be saved through faith in Him?

Your continued denial of the truth of God's word is troubling to say the least.

Where does it say a word about blood in 2 Pet 2:1

Now its made clear here Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

[Silverhair]

Again they were given prior to coming. Also Jn 10 says they are Sheep b4 they hear Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have[present tense], which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear[future tense] my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

God being omniscient knows all those that will freely trust in His name for their salvation. So what Christ is saying here Joh 10:16 fits with what Paul said in

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

You continue to pull verses out of the bible that you think support your view BF. You make God seem to be conflicted and confused.

Try believing the whole word of God not just your selected verses.

 

[Silverhair]

A Sheep belongs to Christ long b4 they shall hear His voice and believe Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

They believe upon hearing Acts 15:7

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

You finally got it right BF.

As I have said many times BF. they hear, they believe and then they are saved by God.

 

[Brightfame52]

God being omniscient knows all those that will freely trust in His name for their salvation. So what Christ is saying here Joh 10:16 fits with what Paul said in

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

You continue to pull verses out of the bible that you think support your view BF. You make God seem to be conflicted and confused.

Try believing the whole word of God not just your selected verses.

So were they Sheep of Christ before they believed ? Yes or no

 

[Brightfame52]

You finally got it right BF.

As I have said many times BF. they hear, they believe and then they are saved by God.

They believe because they are sheep. Thats who He died for. This proves them He died for shall believe. Thats who John is writing to and about Jn 20:31