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reformedbeliever · Nov 8, 2006

GordonSlocum said:

32. For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

Chapter 9 can be to some very disconcerting. This whole discourse is summed up in Chapter 11:32

Notice above what it says.

With all the prior things said in the end every human being on earth are two things

(1) shut up in disobedience

WHY

(2) "so that He (God) may show mercy to ALL.

This is the answer
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You have got to be kidding.......... right? If He is going to show mercy to all (as in every individual, instead of all races) then all will be saved.

Jarthur001 · Nov 8, 2006

GordonSlocum said:

32. For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

Chapter 9 can be to some very disconcerting. This whole discourse is summed up in Chapter 11:32

Notice above what it says.

With all the prior things said in the end every human being on earth are two things

(1) shut up in disobedience

WHY

(2) "so that He (God) may show mercy to ALL.

This is the answer
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Oh brothers.

Have we not talked about keeping in context? I do not mean to be to hard on you, being that you came here to learn. Freewillers do this all the time. Lets look at the verse in full context and see if you can tell where you error.

Romans 11

1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
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Now it is clear...right?

Will the unbelief go on here? Why not believe the Bible and stop looking for verse to fit your doctrine?

IN Christ...james

psalms109:31 · Nov 8, 2006

Their unbelief

Israel unbelief has opened the door for us gentiles.

Isreal and the seed of Abraham is believers, because not all jews are Jews.

You are Jew not by the outward but by the inward. The change God does to believers.

We are not to be aragant but afraid if God did not spare the natural branches He will not spare us either.

We are to continue in our belief in Jesus.

We have obtained mercy because of thier unbelief.

reformedbeliever · Nov 8, 2006

psalms109:31 said:

Israel unbelief has opened the door for us gentiles.

Isreal and the seed of Abraham is believers, because not all jews are Jews.

You are Jew not by the outward but by the inward. The change God does to believers.

We are not to be aragant but afraid if God did not spare the natural branches He will not spare us either.

We are to continue in our belief in Jesus.

We have obtained mercy because of thier unbelief.
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Amen. I can agree with this!

psalms109:31 · Nov 8, 2006

proff reading helps out doesn't

Israel unbelief has opened the door for us gentiles.

Believers is the seed of Abraham not Israel natural born, because not all jews are Jews.

You are Jew not by the outward but by the inward. The change God does to believers.

We are not to be aragant but afraid if God did not spare the natural branches He will not spare us either.

We are to continue in our belief in Jesus.

We have obtained mercy because of thier unbelief.

reformedbeliever · Nov 8, 2006

psalms109:31 said:

Israel unbelief has opened the door for us gentiles.

Believers is the seed of Abraham not Israel natural born, because not all jews are Jews.

You are Jew not by the outward but by the inward. The change God does to believers.

We are not to be aragant but afraid if God did not spare the natural branches He will not spare us either.

We are to continue in our belief in Jesus.

We have obtained mercy because of thier unbelief.
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Yeah psalms..... "proff" reading does help... lol Its ok brother, I know what you mean. The simple fact of the matter is, if whosoever will pray for God to enlighten them through the power of the Holy Spirit.... He will do so. The offer is for whosoever will..... and whosoever will respond will be saved. There are no such thing as a non-elect person just crying out to be saved who can not be.

psalms109:31 · Nov 8, 2006

i agree

Believers are elected to salvation and non- believers are elected to condemnation.

If someone was crying out to God to save them through Jesus He will.

GordonSlocum · Nov 8, 2006

Baptist_Pastor/Theologian said:

Since we serve the same Lord and have faith in the same gospel this all has to be a matter of semantics.:jesus:
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Semantics, you got it.

Oh! One Question and my answer.

Who's semantics? Free willers semantics of course :thumbs:

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