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Foreknowledge

percho

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Does not throughout the OT say He and He alone chose the children of Israel. You only have I Known of all the people of the earth. Yet I will punish you. The known, the sheep.

Then all through the OT God states a number of times what he is going to do concerning these known people, so the heathen would know that he is the LORD God.

Do we assume a person is a Jew because he says he is a Jew? What does a Jew do that outwardly shows he is Jewish? Jesus was a Jew. And, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day. They had this identity through the empire.

Nevertheless he cleaved unto the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, which made Israel to sin; he departed not therefrom.

When Judah along with Benjamin and Levi succeeded from the nation Israel Jeroboam and every king of the house of Israel after began to change the customs of the people to keep them from returning to Jerusalem. God scattered them among the Gentiles and they had thrown away their identity.
The once known sheep were now lost. Prodigal sons. They need to be reconciled. Not all at once but according to the will of God.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

What Part?

Gen 48:19 YLT And his father refuseth, and saith, `I have known, my son, I have known; he also becometh a people, and he also is great, and yet, his young brother is greater than he, and his seed is the fulness of the nations;' (Gentiles)
Acts 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Foreknown?

After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
 

kyredneck

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The way you are using sheep it would mean the elect were eternally saved and just didn't know it. I don't see Scripture using sheep in the manner presented, nor to describe gentile believers.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 10:16

11 Wherefore remember, that once ye, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called Circumcision, in the flesh, made by hands;
12 that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,
15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;
16 and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: Eph 2

But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband. Gal 4:26,27

Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith Jehovah. Isa 54:1

Yes...gentiles who would be saved.

Gentiles whose mother was the Jerusalem which is above. Gentiles who had the work of the law written in their hearts:

34 And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him. Acts 10
 

Robert Snow

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Gentiles whose mother was the Jerusalem which is above. Gentiles who had the work of the law written in their hearts:

34 And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him. Acts 10

Primitive Baptist have an unusual way of interpreting Scripture. I wish you would answer questions in a more conventional way.
 

MB

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Rom. 8:29,30

In eternity past God knew who would freely respond to the Gospel of His Son. God called those, who He knew would believe; He justified them and predestinated them to be conformed to the image of His Son.

In doing this God is both sovereign and allows mankind to respond to His wonderful grace found in Jesus Christ our Lord.
This speaks loudly to say that God has chosen certain men for election because of what they have done or should I say knew what men would do. Preferance screams respect of men.
MB
 

freeatlast

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Rom. 8:29,30

In eternity past God knew who would freely respond to the Gospel of His Son. God called those, who He knew would believe; He justified them and predestinated them to be conformed to the image of His Son.

In doing this God is both sovereign and allows mankind to respond to His wonderful grace found in Jesus Christ our Lord.

This speaks loudly to say that God has chosen certain men for election because of what they have done or should I say knew what men would do. Preferance screams respect of men.
MB

The problem is that the words of that passage are bogus. They are not in scripture in that form.
 

MB

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The problem is that the words of that passage are bogus. They are not in scripture in that form.
They are not from my post you seem to be writting to Robert Snow and myself at the same time.

This is what I wrote in comment to it;
This speaks loudly to say that God has chosen certain men for election because of what they have done or should I say knew what men would do. Preferance screams respect of men.
MB
 

freeatlast

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They are not from my post you seem to be writting to Robert Snow and myself at the same time.

This is what I wrote in comment to it;
This speaks loudly to say that God has chosen certain men for election because of what they have done or should I say knew what men would do. Preferance screams respect of men.
MB

Yes it was from your post that was responding to Robert. And not the passage does not say what he wrote. It was a fabrication of scripture not scripture itself. So God is not choosing people on what they do.
 
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