Forty One Years and Fifty Five Million

[OldRegular]

357 views and only 26 votes. Why?

 

[saturneptune]

It is so sad, that this nation has gone from a healthy respect for life to a point where we not only disrespect life for a night of jollies in the back seat, we not only make it the official law of the land, we promote it, advertise it, and show our pride in it. Murder has been a fact since Cain and Abel. But guess what, back then, Cain was ashamed. Murder demands accountability and folks brought to justice. Over the decades, we have redefined murder to exclude what we today call abortion. We have gone from committing the sin, then hiding it and being ashamed, to setting abortion apart from murder, making it legal, and having a national party over the fact. I have used this phrase before, but believe it to be accurate. It is no less than the United States rubbing God's nose in sin, and a despicable one.

For the people on the fence over the issue (can you believe that, anyone on the fence about this issue), they always say, no abortion except for rape, incest, and life of the mother. Over 90% of abortions are for convenience. This is a fact. We average about 1 million abortions a year in this nation. Of the less than 10% that are incest, rape, or life endangering the mother, only 1% (about) is for the life of the mother. There is no good argument for abortion for rape or incest. There is no life to save or any ethical or moral reason for taking the life of an infant. No excuse whatsoever. For the less than 1% that threaten the life of the mother, take a look at this quote from the NEJM:

Today it is possible for almost any patient to be brought through pregnancy alive, unless she suffers from a fatal illness such as cancer or leukemia, and, if so, abortion would be unlikely to prolong, much less save, life.

In other words, the ability to save the woman's life has greatly increased as of late. There are extremely rare cases where abortion might be justified, and the mother would be expected to live a normal life, but as you can see from above, lots of these cases, the mother is in the latter stages of a terminal illness.

In other words, justified abortions are a small fraction of less than 1% of the ones performed. 99.99+% of abortions are nothing but brutal, premeditated murder. If we the people respected life and demanded that abortions be very, very rare, this would cease to be an issue.

If we were following God's commands because we love Him then guess what. There would be no need for 90% convenience abortions or 4.9% rape and incest abortions. That is why sex is confined to the opposite sex, to a married spouse, and to that married spouse for life. We are so focused on the life of the mother, we forget about the main problem, a 99% slaughter rate.

The Lord did not create rules of behavior about sex to make us boring, or to deny us a good time, but He created them for our own good. The five or ten minutes of fun that those who choose to ignore the Lord, result in a multitude of problems, unwanted children, abortion clinics, bills that have to be paid by the taxpayer. Worst of all, it dulls the American people's sense of justice, respect for life, responsibility to raise children we create, and very clearly sends out a signal to a lost world we do not need to depend on the Lord for any guidance.

Tell you what folks, this is but one of a vicious downward spiral we are on. Add to that the gay marriage and rights crap, the governmental dependence, the lack of any reverence for the Lord, no goals or dreams, and most of all no self accountability, how long do you think this nation can last?

How long is the Lord who has blessed us way beyond other nations in history going to tolerate having His nose rubbed in sin and making a mockery of His Word?

 

[OldRegular]

Outstanding thoughts S/N. One sentence caught my attention and explains some earlier thoughts I posted on another thread.

It is no less than the United States rubbing God's nose in sin, and a despicable one.

Obama's Chicago pastor by the name of Wright was vilified when he said "Not God Bless America but God Damn America". Perhaps Wright said it for the wrong reason but is it rational for anyone to believe that God will not punish, yes Damn, America for what we have done and continue to do. If we were a pagan nation perhaps there would be some excuse and God might show mercy, but a nation where the majority claim to be Christian and yet murder over 55,000,000 babies.

 

[Yeshua1]

Outstanding thoughts S/N. One sentence caught my attention and explains some earlier thoughts I posted on another thread.



Obama's Chicago pastor by the name of Wright was vilified when he said "Not God Bless America but God Damn America". Perhaps Wright said it for the wrong reason but is it rational for anyone to believe that God will not punish, yes Damn, America for what we have done and continue to do. If we were a pagan nation perhaps there would be some excuse and God might show mercy, but a nation where the majority claim to be Christian and yet murder over 55,000,000 babies.

Think the ole "reverend" though was NOT addressing babies being aborted though, but more of ole 'white devils' running america!

For the big secret on abortion is that the black community has been ravaged by that, due to liberal and anti christian "christian clergy" that have decided to approve abortion in their community, and refuse to heed and obey the bible and the lord, they are what God would call false shepherds, leading the people astray!

For many black clergy, it seems, would rather be known as a liberal democrate first, loyal to that party agenda, then to that of God!

 

[OldRegular]

How the Radical Left Takes Care of the Blacks

How the Radical Left Takes Care of the Blacks

"Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black."
--Erma Clardy Craven (deceased)
Social Worker and Civil Rights Leader

Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated "Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America's Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member."

A highly significant 1993 Howard University study showed that African American women over age 50 were 4.7 times more likely to get breast cancer if they had had any abortions compared to women who had not had any abortions.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

 

[Yeshua1]

How the Radical Left Takes Care of the Blacks

margaret Singer, founder planned parenthood, was cozy with hitklers views on natural selection, for just as he saw jews as inferior race to be killed off, she saw Blacks as inferior race, and set up those abortion clinics as a waty to commit legalized genocide on Blacks! She wanted to use Black clergy to spread that into community, God help them, many of them did and still keep doing it!

 

[OldRegular]

536 views and only 30 votes. Why?

 

[saturneptune]

Think the ole "reverend" though was NOT addressing babies being aborted though, but more of ole 'white devils' running america!

For the big secret on abortion is that the black community has been ravaged by that, due to liberal and anti christian "christian clergy" that have decided to approve abortion in their community, and refuse to heed and obey the bible and the lord, they are what God would call false shepherds, leading the people astray!

For many black clergy, it seems, would rather be known as a liberal democrate first, loyal to that party agenda, then to that of God!

I refer you to the MLK thread going on. Being for civil rights in the 60s and standing up for treating human beings decent has NOTHING to do with being a liberal today. It is a false conclusion and has no basis. I cannot understand in my mind today how those who were in charge of state and local governments that treated blacks the way they did and they way I observed could possibly be a Christian. What does that have to do with the sin of abortion? I do not see the linkage, MLK and the Civil RIghts movement and abortion.

 

[Yeshua1]

I refer you to the MLK thread going on. Being for civil rights in the 60s and standing up for treating human beings decent has NOTHING to do with being a liberal today. It is a false conclusion and has no basis. I cannot understand in my mind today how those who were in charge of state and local governments that treated blacks the way they did and they way I observed could possibly be a Christian. What does that have to do with the sin of abortion? I do not see the linkage, MLK and the Civil RIghts movement and abortion.

the point is its supreme irony and also pharisee like hyprocisy to have civil right leaders, same ones who claim to be "reverends" of the Lord jesus, to be totally against getting civil rights for most deservingamong the black community, all those millions of unborn aborted!

they speak of civil roghts, but refuse to grant those towards the babies, and just smile and follow the comany line, while black genocide keeps rolling along!

 

[OldRegular]

628 views and 30 votes??????

 

[Yeshua1]

628 views and 30 votes??????

Guess abortion not that big a deal for most Christians!

 

[OldRegular]

Guess abortion not that big a deal for most Christians!

I posted the following on poncho's thread!

The following is an article by C. Everette Koop, Surgeon General under Reagan, and eminent pediatric surgeon. This article was written in the early 1980's and published in a pro-life pamphlet Abortion in America by Gary Bergel. Koop's remarks are prophetic. Some days ago I mentioned that the baby boomers has sat on their thumbs while 30% or more of the people who would be paying their Social Security and Medicare were butchered. Koop takes note of this problem and mentions its impact on euthanasia of the elderly. It is worth the read though I doubt it will change the mind of those who support abortion!

Abortion is not a medical problem. It is a social Problem. Doctors have been asked to become social executioners in order to bring about a better society a far cry from the high calling to the healing art of medicine. But have we produced a better society?

We were told in the days before the Supreme Court abortion decisions that abortion-on-demand would reduce child abuse. Instead, child abuse has climbed by at least 500% since 1973, even though we have prevented the birth of more than 16 million unwanted children.

We were told that abortion made legal would do away with illegal, dangerous abortions. Yet the experience in every country,-including America, where abortion-on-demand became a legal right, is that illegal abortions increase rather than decrease.

We were told that we would have better sexual morality, but instead we have tremendous numbers of teenage pregnancies resulting from sex education programs which deny a moral code and encourage a hedonistic life style. Abortion is presented as a back-up to contraceptive failure in this "do your own thing" life style.

The cheapening of human life brought about by abortion-on-demand has, like falling dominoes, had two other impacts upon our society. The first is infanticide, the killing of a newborn by active or passive means because he is considered to have a life not worth living. What started off to be a woman's right to abortion-on-demand has become a woman's legal right to a- dead baby. lnasmuch as a woman has the right to a dead baby, does she not have the right to a dead baby outside the womb as well as inside the womb? Apparently she does! Medical journals published in the U.S. carry clear indication that doctors are practicing infanticide, and yet the law has apparently turned its back' lnfanticide in reality is homicide.

The second effect is the practice of euthanasia,.or so called "mercy-killing", the termination of the life of a dependent individual allegedly for his own benefit. Today, we receive reports about elderly people in approved nursing homes who are not having their infections and fever symptoms treated. The reasons have very little to do with limitations in medicine. Frequently, such decisions are made by staff personnel based on social problems of the patient in question, such as the frequency of visitation by the family, the number of nursing hours required per week, and the general "acceptability" of the patient with the nursing home staff.

Who knows what the next domino might be, as we systematically cheapen human life and undermine the family structure so essential to the future of our society?

When doctors are willing to become social executioners for millions of babies, we must examine what motives are used in justifying their actions. Usually, reasons given include preserving the life of the mother,the expectation of a defective child, rape, and incest. Even if these were valid reasons, they would account for only 3% of all abortions. A full 97% of abortions occur for matters of convenience and economy.

When physicians are willing to counsel the parents of a newborn child with a congenital defect to allow the child to starve to death, we should examine this motive as well. The typical answer is that these youngsters have "life not worthy to be lived." Leo Alexander, the American psychiatric representative to the Nuremberg trials, in trying to bring the origins of the Holocaust to the lowest common denominator, said that it all began with the concept that there was such a thing as human life not worthy to be lived.

Certainly, we have come to an age where the Hipppocratic tradition of preserving human life means little. one could say without hesitation that we are at the crossroads of the corruption of medicine with the corruption of law. Corruption of law came first in this country with the U.S. Supreme Court abortion decisions of 1973. The corruption of medicine followed. ln Germany in the 1930's the corruption of medicine came first with the selection of 276,0O0 people for destruction; they were the aged, infirm, retarded, senile, and similar "useless eaters', who were considered to be only "partial Germans". But the Holocaust could not have come about with the corruption of medicine alone. It took the corruption of the law to make euthanasia legal. There is no doubt that if the doctors in Germany had stood for the right to life of every individual, the Holocaust at the very least would have been slowed down and minimized.

So far we’ve touched on social problems presented by unwanted pregnancies, by children with congenital defects, and by old folks who have become a cramping nuisance to society or their families. But what will happen when we project into the future and consider the economic impact of our actions? The'rezults will be disastrous with fewer and fewer children allowed to live, every child now alive or born in the next decade will, in the first years of the next century, have a proportionately greater financial burden in supporting a tremendously top heavy population. The social Security system could be stretched to the breaking point. For the old and the non-productive, euthanasia will take on a new dimension in the name of economic stability.

Our country, which has prided itself on its lack of discrimination on any grounds has succumbed to discrimination against the unborn because they cannot speak for themselves, against the newly born because they have lives not worthy to be lived, and against the elderly because they are social and economic burdens.
It is possible that in the next few years, with the concept of "wrongful life"
developed by the New York State Supreme Court, that it will be illegal for an obstetrician to deliver a baby with a defect that could have been diagnosed prenatally. Once the concept of wrongful life has been accepted, what chance does the imperfect child have when he is newly born? And what will happen to the tremendous number of elderly people who through no fault of their own have become the great majority in our changing demographic picture.

Today we hear a Nobel laureate in the United States suggesting that children not be declared alive until they are three days old in order that all families be given the right to reject their children if they wish. We hear the suggestion that all children be required to pass a genetic test or forfeit their lives. lt should not surprise us that another Nobel laureate is contributing his sperm to sperm banks in the hope that a suitable ovum might be found in days to come that would be worthy of being fertilized by this superior genetic contribution.

The family structure in America is rapidly deteriorating. Abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, artificial insemination, the test tube baby, single parenthood, the Gay Rights Movement, and the radical Women's Liberation movement are all anti-family. Unless we wake up, America, we are doomed to go the way of other civilizations who lost their respect for the sanctity of life where it is clearly understood that man is not a machine, is not randomly chosen, but is indeed created in the image of God.

 

[Yeshua1]

I posted the following on poncho's thread!

The following is an article by C. Everette Koop, Surgeon General under Reagan, and eminent pediatric surgeon. This article was written in the early 1980's and published in a pro-life pamphlet Abortion in America by Gary Bergel. Koop's remarks are prophetic. Some days ago I mentioned that the baby boomers has sat on their thumbs while 30% or more of the people who would be paying their Social Security and Medicare were butchered. Koop takes note of this problem and mentions its impact on euthanasia of the elderly. It is worth the read though I doubt it will change the mind of those who support abortion!

As Francis Schaffer did write, once a culture allows for babies to be killed off without any reservations, then it goes to old persons and those society deems "least needed" to also be killed off, so looks like what Hitler failed to do, America is well on the way!