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Earth Wind and Fire

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Have you ever considered Jesus' "sermon on the plain" or "sermon on the mount"?
That is New Testament... not the old “eye for eye” stuff. Ultimately it’s about profit. “What does it profit someone if they gain the whole world but loose their soul.”
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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You have an interesting twist on the definition of sin being a political entity. Can you define this evil GOP, or does it just involve money, which is not evil, but how we as humans love it? If the GOP is evil, because it threatens your love of money, that seems like a good thing, not an evil thing. All the evil I have seen accused of the GOP is they do not know how to handle money. Perhaps that is a good thing, no?
No.
 

JonC

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In the context of applying the Julian method, you said this: "I do not see how the DNC can possibly be more dangerous to Christianity." Did you mean more dangerous than they already are, or more dangerous than the GOP? If the former, then just wait. Never say it couldn't be worse. If the latter, then that just isn't even close to the truth, which is my point. The Dems are far and away worse, at least Julian cubed.
I mean more dangerous than the GOP. The DNC holds values which are inconsistent with Christianity. A Christian cannot mistake the DNC platform with Christianity.

But many Christians have considered the GOP to be Christian. That is why it is more dangerous. It is a secular, worldly power that people are calling "Christian".

The GOP can be a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak, but the DNC can only be a wolf.
 

Lodic

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Do you have specific proof?
Lots of proof - e.g. Republican poll watchers were denied to actually confirm votes; massive mail-in ballot fraud including "voters" who were deceased, under age, in prison, or illegal aliens; massive fraud from the Dominion voting machines that switched thousands of Trump votes over to Biden; ballot dumps in the middle of the night; eye-witness testimonies and affidavits from witnesses to these events; and I'm sure I've missed some. Unfortunately, the courts (including the US Supreme Court) refused to review these cases. While plenty of proof has been presented, it has been ignored and suppressed. The result of all the suppression and denial of their day in court is the Democrats have stolen the election and there's nothing we can do about it.
 

church mouse guy

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I mean more dangerous than the GOP. The DNC holds values which are inconsistent with Christianity. A Christian cannot mistake the DNC platform with Christianity.

But many Christians have considered the GOP to be Christian. That is why it is more dangerous. It is a secular, worldly power that people are calling "Christian".

The GOP can be a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak, but the DNC can only be a wolf.

Who are these people who thought the GOP was Christian? Sunday school dropouts?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Lots of proof - e.g. Republican poll watchers were denied to actually confirm votes; massive mail-in ballot fraud including "voters" who were deceased, under age, in prison, or illegal aliens; massive fraud from the Dominion voting machines that switched thousands of Trump votes over to Biden; ballot dumps in the middle of the night; eye-witness testimonies and affidavits from witnesses to these events; and I'm sure I've missed some. Unfortunately, the courts (including the US Supreme Court) refused to review these cases. While plenty of proof has been presented, it has been ignored and suppressed. The result of all the suppression and denial of their day in court is the Democrats have stolen the election and there's nothing we can do about it.
Trump lost... take the 21 gun salute and see you on the dark side of the moon. The powers that be don’t want the guy cause he generally is an incompetent. Look how he messed up COVID and the vaccine roll out... :X3
 
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RighteousnessTemperance&

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I mean more dangerous than the GOP. The DNC holds values which are inconsistent with Christianity. A Christian cannot mistake the DNC platform with Christianity.

But many Christians have considered the GOP to be Christian. That is why it is more dangerous. It is a secular, worldly power that people are calling "Christian".

The GOP can be a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak, but the DNC can only be a wolf.

Being in basic agreement on some moral standards does not equate to being Christian, nor is government called to spread the Gospel. This is not the biblical purpose of government, but to establish a peaceful state where it can be.

The Dems would competley undermine every aspect of that and are an enemy of Christ in toto, spun myriad ways to fool the world and confuse the church. They are indeed wolves in sheep's clothing, and far more cunning than you are admitting. This does not mean they can thwart God's purposes. In any case, the GOP is not called to be the body of Christ, and no Christian should think they are. As far as I know, no Christian does. Sharing moral standards is right for the purposes of government.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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I mean more dangerous than the GOP. The DNC holds values which are inconsistent with Christianity. A Christian cannot mistake the DNC platform with Christianity.

But many Christians have considered the GOP to be Christian. That is why it is more dangerous. It is a secular, worldly power that people are calling "Christian".

The GOP can be a wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak, but the DNC can only be a wolf.
Perhaps the metaphor doesn't completely cover the issue, because they are so deceptive that some can't understand just how much so. The Dems have rewired the children, now the masses, so that their eyes are crossed making the Dems out to be sheep and those who oppose them wolves. The Dems are far more devious, far more dangerous.
 

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Perhaps the metaphor doesn't completely cover the issue, because they are so deceptive that some can't understand just how much so. The Dems have rewired the children, now the masses, so that their eyes are crossed making the Dems out to be sheep and those who oppose them wolves. The Dems are far more devious, far more dangerous.

It’s like when the preacher and another guy both shot at a deer at the same time. An impartial observer determined forensically that the preacher killed the deer because the kill shot went in one ear and out the other.
 

JonC

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Being in basic agreement on some moral standards does not equate to being Christian, nor is government called to spread the Gospel. This is not the biblical purpose of government, but to establish a peaceful state where it can be.

The Dems would competley undermine every aspect of that and are an enemy of Christ in toto, spun myriad ways to fool the world and confuse the church. They are indeed wolves in sheep's clothing, and far more cunning than you are admitting. This does not mean they can thwart God's purposes. In any case, the GOP is not called to be the body of Christ, and no Christian should think they are. As far as I know, no Christian does. Sharing moral standards is right for the purposes of government.
There is no biblical purpose for secular government except that God puts go governments in power for His purposes and none exist except God raise them up.

All of these powers are in opposition to God (even the "Christian" Roman Empire was ultimately in opposition God. It turns out that Israel as a secular nation opposed God as well. His Kingdom is not of the World.
 

JonC

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Perhaps the metaphor doesn't completely cover the issue, because they are so deceptive that some can't understand just how much so. The Dems have rewired the children, now the masses, so that their eyes are crossed making the Dems out to be sheep and those who oppose them wolves. The Dems are far more devious, far more dangerous.
The metaphor only applies to the GOP. The DNC is openly hostile to God, the GOP less openly.
 

Wingman68

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They are on this forum. I am not going to bust 'em out. Sometimes politics makes people speak with emotion rather than with what we learned in Sunday School.
Off topic, I really like the song ‘Simple Man’. People should strive to be simple, in my opinion. When the mind games start, I have a hard time with trust from then on. Cheers.
 

church mouse guy

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They are on this forum. I am not going to bust 'em out. Sometimes politics makes people speak with emotion rather than with what we learned in Sunday School.

I think that you enjoy focusing on the exception and not the rule. I never met anyone in more than 50 years who thought the GOP was a Christian political party. You should stop drinking the Russian beet juice. Are you the one who thinks the GOP is Christian? Actually, you probably should forget about Mohler because eggheads don’t make good politicians.

There are goblins on this forum too and the goblins will get you if you don’t wstch out.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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There is no biblical purpose for secular government except that God puts go governments in power for His purposes and none exist except God raise them up.

All of these powers are in opposition to God (even the "Christian" Roman Empire was ultimately in opposition God. It turns out that Israel as a secular nation opposed God as well. His Kingdom is not of the World.
Perhaps someone may think Paul could be wrong about this, but those in authority are there "to bring punishment on the wrongdoer." This becomes a huge problem when the one in authority no longer knows what is wrong.

For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. (1 Tim 2:3-5)​
 
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