Featured Free Grace Theology without Penal Substitutionary Atonement, and Free Grace Theology with it.

In what post did I suggest James 2 expands Romans 4?
Can you provide a link to the article where GES indicates they believe in Penal Substitution Atonement?

I did not see where you advocated false doctrine, unless you advocate "Easy Believism."

PSA is false doctrine, a Trojan Horse for Limited Atonement, claiming Christ died only for the specific sins of specific individuals chosen before creation.

 

Psalm 119:1-5

Aleph
Blessed are those whose way is blameless,
Who walk in the Law of the LORD.

Blessed are those who comply with His testimonies,
And seek Him with all their heart.

They also do no injustice;
They walk in His ways.

You have ordained Your precepts,
That we are to keep them diligently.

Oh that my ways may be established
To keep Your statutes! ​

Jesus taught we should make disciples, teaching them (the disciples) all that He had commanded.

Some claim we do not need to heed Christ's commands, nor to even teach them to others, in fact we should teach that we do not need to even strive to follow Christ. But as for me and my house, we will follow the Lord.

 

I’m not really following the conversation in this thread but I take a Free Grace position.

IMO, Zane Hodges works are quite quirky, …actually many of the popular proponents of the FG position have ideas that (in my opinion) are a bit off the mark.

“Free Grace Theology” is not a fully developed theological position. It’s a niche, a specialized segment of a theology system.

John MacArthur originally stirred the pot by aggrandizing his personal theology in the first edition of his book, The Gospel According to Jesus. He should have backed down and admitted to over stating his case… but that’s not how MacA works. And so we have this small clarifying division called Free Grace Theology, whose major proponents in a manner similar to MacA, have over stated their position.

When reading books on the topic: Eat the meat, leave the peas.

Rob

 

That is an Eternally Fatal Mistake, which excludes CONVERSION from a dead state of sin, to Eternal Life that Only God Quickens to.

 

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Sin must be acknowledged and dealt with. The Law of the Word of God brings the sinner to a CONVICTION, as a Schoolmaster, by hearing the word of God, prior to being Given Repentance of their sin and agreement that God is Right in CONDEMNING them, for sin. The Twin Doctrines of Repentance and Faith are The New Birth that Quickens the dead sinner to Salvation.

There is no, "believe-quickening" that a Spiritually dead sinner can perform in their own dead state.

"You hath HE QUICKENED who WERE DEAD."

The deceitfully dead heart has had to be changed, by God, FIRST.

10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness"

The heart that has been under The Eternal Word of God, Convicted, and Changed, by God.

Jesus is The Savior. Not a wretched, wicked, undone, and without hope. Dead. Ungodly.

16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek.

17 For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.”

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.…

The Gospel Reveals the Wrath of God of the ungodly being Poured Out on Jesus.

The Gospel Reveals sin and the need for a Savior for the, otherwise, Eternally lost.

You have to be "lost" before you can be "saved".

There is no "believe-quickening" that a Spiritually dead sinner does.

God Quickens the dead to Eternal Life and then Gives the sinner belief.

"Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." James 1:18

 

Saved from what? Hell? Intellectually "believing" that one doesn't "want to go to hell" and "believing", mentally that a historical figure "saved" them from it, does not deal with that individual's personal sin-quiltyness before a Holy God Who Gave His Son to DIE. Are they condemned by the fact that THEIR sin Placed Jesus on the cross?

The sinner is ungodly, just as Abraham was, and dead, without strength, as a dependant of Adam.

"When we were without strength Christ died for the ungodly.

Have you ever been "lost"?

 

Jesus said we should make disciples, and you say there is no point in making disciples "of people who are going to hell." But no one suggested such an effort. Thus your view is unbiblical nonsense. We are to teach believers all that Jesus commanded, and therefore they should strive to follow them.

 

Why use "substitutionary atonement" rather than Penal Substitutionary Atonement, as if there is no distinction between them.

PSA is false doctrine, a Trojan Horse for Limited Atonement, claiming Christ died only for the specific sins of specific individuals chosen before creation.​

Since Christ bought those to be saved and those never to be saved (2 Peter 2:1) then Jesus did indeed die as a ransom for all, 1 Timothy 2:6.

And apparently you cannot link to the article that says GES supports PSA.

All I found were ambiguous statements, so vague either view could be supported.

 

Please quote it, as I expect it does not say what you claim.
Here is what you said: "I just found an article from faith alone/GES saying they consider penal substitution a fundamental free grace doctrine.

 

I think I ended up reading a different thread than what was started.

Zane Hodges, GES, Free Grace, etc....right?

 

I would suggest that Jesus' death on the cross cannot be explained by just expiation or propitiation but rather both combined. The problem is what word would we use?

 

There is no difficulty, Christ's sacrifice provides the ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved. Thus His death provides the means of reconciliation (which if obtained results in salvation). The key is to accept that believers must receive the reconciliation, and discard the unbiblical belief in automatic reconciliation when a person puts dead or lip service faith in Christ. It is God who either credits a person's faith as righteousness, or not. And if not, they do not "automatically" receive reconciliation.