• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Free Will Origin of Sin

Dave G

Well-Known Member
The new man does not. The old man does.

Yes. His old man sinned. His new man did not.

Well said, sir.:)

" For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."
( Romans 7:15-20 )

" Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." ( 1 John 3:9 )
 
Last edited:

Mikey

Active Member
"The question arises, “If we died to sin’s dominion, why do we still struggle with sin in our daily lives?” When Paul wrote, “We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” he was referring, not to the activity of committing sins, but to continuing to live under the dominion of sin. The word live means to continue in or abide in. It connotes a settled course of life. To use Paul’s words from Romans 8:7, “The sinful mind [one under sin’s dominion] is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.” But the believer who has died to sin’s reign and dominion delights in God’s law. The believer approves of it as holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), even though he or she may struggle to obey it.

We must distinguish between the activity of sin, which is true in all believers, and the dominion of sin, which is true of all unbelievers. Sinclair Ferguson has written, “Sin is not primarily an activity of man’s will so much as a captivity which man suffers, as an alien power grips his soul. It is an axiom for John Owen that while the presence of sin can never be abolished in this life, nor the influence of sin altered (its tendency is always the same), its dominion can, indeed, must be destroyed if a man is to be a Christian.

Therefore a believer cannot continue in sin. We no longer live in the realm of sin, under its reign and practical dominion. We have, to use Paul’s words, died to sin. We indeed do sin and even our best deeds are stained with sin, but our attitude toward it is essentially different from that of an unbeliever. We succumb to temptations, either from our own evil desires (James 1:13), or from the world or the Devil (Ephesians 2:1-3). " - Sinclair Ferguson

thought this might be helpful to the discussion.
 
Last edited:

percho

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
One more time, and I will type real s.l.o.w.

The OLD MAN of the flesh sins.

The NEW MAN of faith does not.

Got it now?



And IMHO, free will, has absolutely nothing to do with, the new man.

Only the will of God.
 

Mr. Roy

New Member
And IMHO, free will, has absolutely nothing to do with, the new man.

Only the will of God.
Unfortunately, until we shed the old man into the dust from whence we were made, the flesh will always impinge upon our ability to please God in any natural way. A wretched existence to be sure, yet life in the Spirit can be so sweet! Personally, I find it a daily battle to align my will to that of my Maker.
 

loDebar

Well-Known Member
The new man does not. The old man does.

Yes. His old man sinned. His new man did not.

Repeating does not explain.

There is one man, body soul and spirit, two natures, one individual.
We as redeemed sin but it is not charged to our "account" because we have accept salvation.
There are not two separate men, just two inclination.

you sin, as a free choice, God does not want you to sin
 
Last edited:

loDebar

Well-Known Member
1Pe 5:8

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Satan seems to have free will, in continue seeking
 

loDebar

Well-Known Member
for clarification purposes, what is your definition of free will? you've used different words like; choice, will etc
not my defination
thelēma
  1. what one wishes or has determined shall be done
    1. of the purpose of God to bless mankind through Christ

    2. of what God wishes to be done by us
      1. commands, precepts
  2. will, choice, inclination, desire, pleasure
Jhn 1:13

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
Administrator
Repeating does not explain.

There is one man, body soul and spirit, two natures, one individual.
We as redeemed sin but it is not charged to our "account" because we have accept salvation.
There are not two separate men, just two inclination.

you sin, as a free choice, God does not want you to sin
I am sorry you can't understand it, but I dumbed it down as much as I can.
 

loDebar

Well-Known Member
I am sorry you can't understand it, but I dumbed it down as much as I can.
well smart it up, correct the errors and we will all be better,
The one individual does not have two identities, one with only good, one with only bad. We are one with two natures that fight . We can go our way or God's way, in free choice. But as redeemed, we would like to go God's , rejecting our will. We desire God's will to be our will in our lives
 

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
well smart it up, correct the errors and we will all be better,
The one individual does not have two identities, one with only good, one with only bad. We are one with two natures that fight . We can go our way or God's way, in free choice. But as redeemed, we would like to go God's , rejecting our will. We desire God's will to be our will in our lives
We are free to choose in the area that the sin nature still allows for us, but we no longer have all freedom to choice!
 

loDebar

Well-Known Member
We are free to choose in the area that the sin nature still allows for us, but we no longer have all freedom to choice!
You have freedom to "wish" but God has power over our circumstances

You have free will but not freedom of action. If God allows us to act upon our wishes we cannot escape the consequences of our actions
 

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
You have freedom to "wish" but God has power over our circumstances

You have free will but not freedom of action. If God allows us to act upon our wishes we cannot escape the consequences of our actions
There are soe things that our sin natures restrict us from choosing, such as salvation!
 

loDebar

Well-Known Member
There are soe things that our sin natures restrict us from choosing, such as salvation!
if we love sinning more than salvation,

it is still a matter of choice to continue in sin or or accept God's way
The parable of the sower the rich young ruler shows choosing the world over the Gospel
 

Dave G

Well-Known Member

"The religion known as Thelema was founded in 1904 by the English poet and mystic Aleister Crowley (1875 – 1947), who is regarded as its prophet. Those who follow the path of Thelema are called Thelemites. Thelema emphasizes individualism, and the uniqueness of each person’s Will. "

Thelema

"According to Thelemic doctrine, the expression of Divine Law in the Æon of Horus is “Do what thou wilt”."

Free will...what every man screams loudest about.


IoDebar, you do know what John 1:13 is saying, don't you?
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
Administrator
"The religion known as Thelema was founded in 1904 by the English poet and mystic Aleister Crowley (1875 – 1947), who is regarded as its prophet. Those who follow the path of Thelema are called Thelemites. Thelema emphasizes individualism, and the uniqueness of each person’s Will. "
Well, Dave, as off on everything as he obviously is I doubt he was referring the cuot of Crowley/

He is trying to make the point of the Greek word for "will" which is "thelēma." :)
 
Top