Oh, that's talking about false apostles - not false Christians
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From IFB pastor to Athiest
- Thread starter Salty
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Not much difference between the two, is there?Oh, that's talking about false apostles - not false Christians
This reminds me of the man who was for many years Billy Grahams righthand preacher, stood in for him, some thought was groomed to be his successor... Name was Templeton, and he refuted all of it, became totally athiest, so he would seem to be in same boat!While it is impossible for me to know, I suspect that Mr. Gerencser is a man who came to a particular realization prior to hearing those words “I never knew you.” The reason I say this is he presents himself as being indoctrinated rather than converted into the faith. I appreciate his honesty here because I believe it a legitimate issue in how we work with those "born into the church."
As Christians we are, I believe, told to take the man at his words. We judge the fruit, not the heart, and are to treat him as if he is as lost as his profession indicates. We are fruit inspectors - not botanists.
False convert who was a victim of the modern gospel message. Refer to Judas and a passage in the Synoptics of the many that will stand before him on the day of judgment.
This is all the more important why we must preach law to the proud and grace for the humble.
You do realise that the Aposles message was the Cross and resurrection, not Mosaic Law to save sinns?
Yes, especially in a letter where there are distinctively "we, us, you, them"Not much difference between the two, is there?
John knew them as being false "converts" to Jesus as Messiah, about like same group Hebrews warned about who looked right, but were shown to not be of Jesus and fell away...Yes, especially in a letter where there are distinctively "we, us, you, them"
Ministers. You think this guy was born again and became unborn? That would be a flimsy salvation of a weak Savior.Oh, that's talking about false apostles - not false Christians
And would make for a weak Holy Spirit, as He seals us unto the Second Coming day!Ministers. You think this guy was born again and became unborn? That would be a flimsy salvation of a weak Savior.
I don't get your point.Ministers. You think this guy was born again and became unborn? That would be a flimsy salvation of a weak Savior.
Where's the unborn part come from ??
Yes. Is somebody questioning this?And would make for a weak Holy Spirit, as He seals us unto the Second Coming day!
No, he knew them as Gnostics who were never in the light.John knew them as being false "converts" to Jesus as Messiah, about like same group Hebrews warned about who looked right, but were shown to not be of Jesus and fell away...
Hebrews concerned Jewish believers in Christ - real believers - who were falling away, back to the Law. And their eternal destiny was never a question, even though they had trampled the Son and were "close" to bring accursed....
Actualyl, Hebrews addressed saved Christians to stay faithful to Christ, and those like in Chapter 6 were unsaved passng as Christians, but showed their true colors by faling away, back to te Law!No, he knew them as Gnostics who were never in the light.
Hebrews concerned Jewish believers in Christ - real believers - who were falling away, back to the Law. And their eternal destiny was never a question, even though they had trampled the Son and were "close" to bring accursed....
They weren't unsaved, and there isn't anything in the text to suggest that.Actualyl, Hebrews addressed saved Christians to stay faithful to Christ, and those like in Chapter 6 were unsaved passng as Christians, but showed their true colors by faling away, back to te Law!
Born again believers who fell away...and remained born again.
Where do you get "born again" out of that?Born again believers who fell away...
If John wasn't just chomping his bubble gum, his doctrine is that those born of God cannot sin, because they are born of God.
And that Peter fella . . . he says we are kept by the power of God, not our own power.
So who would venture to say otherwise?
Only our inner man is born again right now, not our flesh. And that's what John was talking about. He had already stated that we have sin, and that was in the context of the flesh.Where do you get "born again" out of that?
If John wasn't just chomping his bubble gum, his doctrine is that those born of God cannot sin, because they are born of God.
And that Peter fella . . . he says we are kept by the power of God, not our own power.
So who would venture to say otherwise?
And yes, we are kept by the power of God - even if we commit apostasy He keeps us. No one can snatch us out of His hand
They weren't unsaved, and there isn't anything in the text to suggest that.
Born again believers who fell away...and remained born again.
They never were saved, as Writer after that addressed those in the church who he was confident were saved, as they would continue in the Faith!
He never said "I'm sure you are saved"They never were saved, as Writer after that addressed those in the church who he was confident were saved, as they would continue in the Faith!
What he did say is that he was confident of better things for them....endurance
Never once did he cast their eternal destiny under a shadow of doubt. It's unfortunate that some people can only see Heaven and Hell, I have no concept of rewards and inheritance to the faithful
It's also unfortunate that most people can't simply read the text for what it says, and are unable to resist the urge of imposing their doctrinal structure on to the text
The ones addresses by him in chapter 6 in beginning were those faking being Christians, while those he addressed afterwards were really saved!He never said "I'm sure you are saved"
What he did say is that he was confident of better things for them....endurance
Never once did he cast their eternal destiny under a shadow of doubt. It's unfortunate that some people can only see Heaven and Hell, I have no concept of rewards and inheritance to the faithful
It's also unfortunate that most people can't simply read the text for what it says, and are unable to resist the urge of imposing their doctrinal structure on to the text
What verse says fake?The ones addresses by him in chapter 6 in beginning were those faking being Christians, while those he addressed afterwards were really saved!
What verse says really saved?
Those who fall away showed never were really is, while those who were would be perservering in their faith!What verse says fake?
What verse says really saved?