Full-Preterism/Hyper-Preterism: A Damnable Heresy

[ReformedBaptist]

Oh good grief, RB. This is debate. Stick around. We might all learn something.

No thanks. If you want to engage in name-calling and other childish behavior be my guest.

 

[Amy.G]

No thanks. If you want to engage in name-calling and other childish behavior be my guest.

Who have I called names? Has my behavior been childish? Why are you accusing me of these things?

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Who have I called names? Has my behavior been childish? Why are you accusing me of these things?

Actually, what I meant is if you want to discuss with someone who calls names and acts like a child, go ahead. My reply to you wasn't meant to accuse you of doing that...but I can see how it was taken that way. It was poorly worded. Sorry about that.

RB

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Preterists make up two groups, partial and full. PP's would say most if not all of Matthew 24 was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 and that much of Revelation spaeks also of that event. But they do believe in a future Coming of Christ, bodily resurrection and Judgment. This view was a very easy one to come to once I was exposed to it and began studying.

FP believe pretty much all those events were fulfilled in AD70. Although each individual's judgmet occurs upon death and resurrection is not physical in nature (This is the sole reason RC Sproul rejects FP).

Here are some short essays that I hope will give you an introduction to the full preterist view:


http://www.preterism-eschatology.com/An%20Introduction%20to%20Preterism.htm


http://www.preterism-eschatology.com/What%20Is%20The%20Preterist%20View.htm

http://www.preterism-eschatology.com/An%20Introduction%20To%20The%20Preterist%20View%20Of%20Eschatology.htm

If the FP view is too much then I would recommend reading Gary DeMar's book "Last Days Madness"

http://www.amazon.com/Last-Days-Madness-Obsession-Modern/dp/0915815354

Here are a couple of chapters you can read on-line:

http://www.preteristsite.com/docs/demarpassing.html

http://www.preteristsite.com/docs/demarantichrist.html


Or RC Sproul's book the "The Last Days According to Jesus" is another excellent book.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/080106340X/?tag=baptis04-20

If you don't have e-sword: http://www.e-sword.net/
get it. Download all the commentaries and read what they believed concerning many of these issues. It is amazing how far the modern church as veered off the eschatological path in the last 200 years.

Hope this helps and approach it all with an open mind and an open Bible.

PS, concerning your last post, there are some who believe a rapture occured in AD70 but that is a minority view. Most FP do not believe that.

If a partial pre-terrist believes much has passed in AD 70 but that the Lord will return in the future with a ressurection from the dead why would they be considered a Heresy?

 

[Marcia]

Thanks Grasshopper. I think it's important to look at all views. I think the OP may be a little over the top. So far I haven't seen anything "damnable" about preterism. Looking at all the different views on eschatology, how can I know who has the right view? It is certainly not clear cut.
But I will say this. After reading Matthew 24 for the billion'th time ( :laugh: ), it seems to me that Jesus is speaking of more than one event. Certainly the fall of Jerusalem is one them, but He is obviously also speaking of later end time events that have not taken place. The disciples asked Him 3 questions.
1) When will the temple be destroyed?
2) What will be the sign of His coming?
3) What will be the sign of the end of the age?

So, I think in this chapter Jesus is answering all 3 questions, which involve different events at different times.

In my opinion (so far) :laugh:

Edit: Also, I think we can lay to rest the rapture occurring in 70 AD. That cannot be correct. John was still here for many years after that.

Well, if I understand this statement posted by Grasshopper to mean that FP deny the physical resurrection of our bodies, then then Full Preterism would a heresy:

FP believe pretty much all those events were fulfilled in AD70. Although each individual's judgmet occurs upon death and resurrection is not physical in nature (This is the sole reason RC Sproul rejects FP).

 

[Grasshopper]

May the Lord have mercy on you. I will no longer be communicating with you.

raying:

Promise? You provided nothing to the conversation.

 

[Grasshopper]

Oh good grief, RB. This is debate. Stick around. We might all learn something.

Amy he had no intention of debating or learning. In two separate threads he never answered a question. Yet the very Reformers whom he worships held many preterist views.

What I cannot get partial preterists to answer, and I wish I could ask Gill and Spurgeon, is how their views if taken to their natural and logical conclusion doesn't lead to a full-preterist position. They may be correct, I just haven't found their justification yet.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Amy he had no intention of debating or learning. In two separate threads he never answered a question. Yet the very Reformers whom he worships held many preterist views.

What I cannot get partial preterists to answer, and I wish I could ask Gill and Spurgeon, is how their views if taken to their natural and logical conclusion doesn't lead to a full-preterist position. They may be correct, I just haven't found their justification yet.

The Lord rebuke you for saying I worship men.

 

[Marcia]

Amy, Grasshopper does not believe these scriptures apply to Christians today because he believes Satan is inactive since 70 A.D.:

We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. 1 Jn 5.19

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4.3,4


so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes. 1 Cor 2.11

No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 2 Cor. 11.14

For we wanted to come to you--I, Paul, more than once--and yet Satan hindered us. 1 Thess 2.18

for some have already turned aside to follow Satan.
1 Tim 5.15


And of course, we have the Eph 6 passage about how our battle is against evil spiritual forces (demons):
11Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
...in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
Eph 6.11-12, 16


Of course, there are many other scriptures I could have posted. This is just a small sampling.