Full Preterism

Is it not possible for a literal interpetation to mean that when Christ, at his first coming, died and rose from the grave, he was seen by his disciples to have come into his kingdom?

The resurrected Christ has now come into his kingdom!
He rules and reigns in the hearts of those who are his.

But

Scripture also teaches that Christ will come again to rule and reign on earth (Rev. 19-20). A time when every knee will bow and confess (Phil. 2).

So can't both be true?

A first coming when Christ comes into his kingdom.
A second coming when Christ rules visibly on earth.

 

Maybe you should go back to English class. First of all, salvation is of God. The very premise of your question shows a deep lack of understanding. Second, you telling someone they are probably saved is reckless, because you do not have a clue.

 

But I have the source of all clues.

Acts 16:30-31
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

I think detect the subtle bouquet of Calvinism. So assuming that you are one, what is reckless about me telling someone they are probably saved? Might I unelect somebody if I am not careful?

 

There is no doubt that they asked the question in that manner. However, God provided the ability for each of them to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I dont think they got up one morning and said, "Gee, what will I "DO" today, think I'll believe in the Lord Jesus Christ." If you are interested in a works salvation, there are Church of Christ web sites.

 

But you can't look into someone's heart and know if they really believe or not.

Now, let's go back to discussing full preterism.

I've tried to take this position seriously, but I can't square it with Scripture.

In any event, if Christ has already come, is this heaven? Are we living in the New Jerusalem. Has he wiped away every tear?

I'm listening?

Enlighten me.

 

This has nothing to do with the Calvinism free will debate. This has to do with the fact that two entities know absolutely about salvation, the individual and God. The point is that you do not know the state of anyone's salvation but yours.

 

All I said was I thought he was probably saved, based on my recollection that he has professed to believe that Jesus Christ died for his sins. I've talked with my friend Grasshopper several times on this board over the last couple of years. If you make the same profession, I'll probably think your saved too.

 

So the first assumption is that there actually exists sime sort of "official position" catagory in regards to Baptists. The only thing I can think of in that regard is the Baptist distinctives.

 

James_Newman: //The problem with preterism is that it not only denies
the future judgment of believers,
it denies the very kingdom of God for which we are to suffer.//

Amen, Brother. Preterism limits a Triune God to
one-and-only-one Kingdom. In fact, the Triune God has
three kingdoms described in the Bible:

1. The Kingdom within us (the Holy Spirit)
2. The future Millinnial Messanic Kingdom (Messiah Jesus, son of God)
3. The everlasting Kingdom not of this world (God the Father)

 

But I am told Preterism is wrong because it doesn’t take the Bible “literally”. So I do as the dispies do and take it literally then I am told by you it can’t be taken literally.

This was the problem I ran into as I studied eschatology. If I was to hold to my futurist beliefs, I had to ignore or redefine all the time-indicators found in scripture. It came to a point that I could no longer pretend they weren’t there and had to deal with them.

But you made it the issue. You are claiming this doctrine sends one to Hell and used your friend as an example.

Again, you don’t understand what Baptist believe then. Most Baptists, especially on this board, believe in eternal security therefore one cannot lose one’s salvation for any reason including one’s eschatological beliefs.

You see, you keep tying one’s salvation to one’s eschatology. Baptist’s don’t believe you can lose your salvation. So if your friend was saved before preterism he is saved today. If he was lost before preterism he is lost today.

This question would be better asked on a Pentecostal board where I am sure they would agree with you that it would cost one his salvation and leads straight to hell. Does John Hagee have a message board?

By the way, has your friend become less Godly, quit attending church and ignored scripture reading, and abandoned his prayer life yet?

 

Define “damnable”.

I think that would be up to each individual. I assume you see it as an indicator, I obviously do not. Others though they disagree with preterism also would not, while others would.

Again it depends on what you mean as “damned”. I assume “damned” means lost and eternal separation. And since Baptist hold to security of the believer it could not be a “damnable” offense.

I think it depends on each individual. I think many would consider FP to be heretical but I don’t believe there is any “denominational stand” on FP. I was introduced to preterism(partial) by a, now very predominate, Baptist pastor who has been mentioned on this board often. There are many Baptist or “Baptist like” preachers who now teach FP. So the answer to your question seems to be, it depends on which Baptist you ask.

 

My apologies.

I see now that the thread is about damnable heresy and not about what FP is.

As to time indicators, there are also specific mentions in Scripture of dividing the righteous from the wicked and the sheep from the goats.

When does that take place in a FP view?

 

It done happened, so now you are in goat hell

Damnable Heresy (DH)* in deed!

*do not confuse with DH = dear husband which some of
our Sisters use

 

I don't think you could necessarily say the man is not going to heaven. If one of God's children is living in sin, God is going to bring circumstances to bear in that person's life to bring him toward repentence. If the person ignores those circumstances, God just may bring the person to his heavenly home prematurely. Some of the early Christians were abusing the Lord's Table, so Paul said that some of them were sickly because of it and some of them had died because of it, but he didn't say that they weren't Christians because they hadn't repented before they died.