Funny Thing About Trump's Muslim, er, Terrorist, er, Refugee, er, Immigrant Ban

[Revmitchell]

right now the ban is on those from wore torn countries that are sending refugees here. The people cannot be vetted properly. The other countries do not present the vetting problem in the same way. Not sure why this needs to be explained.

 

[InTheLight]

He just stuck with the list Obama had already compiled. That should make you happy.

Any terror policy that does not address Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, or Pakistan is a joke.

Trump seeking political coverage behind an Obama executive order is hilarious.

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[Crabtownboy]

Any terror policy that does not address Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, or Pakistan is a joke.

Trump seeking political coverage behind an Obama executive order is hilarious.

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Didn't he condemn Obama's use of executive orders? Just asking.

 

[Rolfe]

Didn't he condemn Obama's use of executive orders? Just asking.

Republicans have almost continually complained of Obama's rule by Executive Order. Now Trump appears to be doing the same thing, and his supporters love it. A bit hypocritical.

And now...que the "Obama did it so can we" arguments.

 

[InTheLight]

And now...que the "Obama did it so can we" arguments.

Too limiting. Better add:
Clinton did it, so can we.
Carter did it, so can we.



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[Rolfe]

Too limiting. Better add:
Clinton did it, so can we.
Carter did it, so can we.



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You are generous with the credit that you give others. I do not think that the average Trumpite thinks much about other administrations before Bush II and Obama.

 

[StefanM]

You are generous with the credit that you give others. I do not think that the average Trumpite thinks much about other administrations before Bush II and Obama.

Probably too busy trying to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

 

[Revmitchell]

Probably too busy trying to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Of which he is well on his way.

 

[Use of Time]

Of which he is well on his way.

LOL.

 

[carpro]

are you sure that was Obama's list?

Yup.

"In February 2016, the Obama administration added Libya, Somali and Yemen to the list of countries one could not have visited — but allowed dual citizens of those countries who had not traveled there access to the Visa Waiver Program. Dual citizens of Syria, Sudan, Iraq and Iran are still ineligible, however.
So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yup.

"In February 2016, the Obama administration added Libya, Somali and Yemen to the list of countries one could not have visited — but allowed dual citizens of those countries who had not traveled there access to the Visa Waiver Program. Dual citizens of Syria, Sudan, Iraq and Iran are still ineligible, however.
So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries."

Yea what prompted the question was that I saw Rudy Gulliani yesterday claiming he crafted the list so ....well perhaps he saw the BO List......ahhh, who knows. Thanks for your response.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Probably too busy trying to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

a slogan originally made famous by Ronald Reagan---I guy I really saw as presidential.

 

[Benjamin]

Any terror policy that does not address Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, or Pakistan is a joke.

So if the line was drawn to include those countries you would have been happy then? ...I seriously doubt it...

 

[InTheLight]

So if the line was drawn to include those countries you would have been happy then? ...I seriously doubt it...

I would add those nations to the list. I would not have called it a ban. I would have implemented enhanced requirements needed to immigrate, extreme vetting if you prefer, which would have amounted to a de facto ban. Then, yes, I would have been happy.

Surprised that Trump supporters are touting an Obama list of countries to defend Trump's flaccid attempt at keeping terrorists out.

Hopefully he will fix this thing and get it right.

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[InTheLight]

Furthermore, I would not have announced the change in policy. Certainly not with a photo op of the President holding the signed executive order over his head, as if he's bringing the 10 Commandments down from Sinai.

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[annsni]

are you sure that was Obama's list?

From February 18, 2016 (when President Obama was in leadership)(my bolding added to highlight the 7 countries):

For Immediate Release
DHS Press Office
Contact: 202-282-8010

WASHINGTON—The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.

Pursuant to the Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security had sixty days to determine whether additional countries or areas of concern should be subject to the travel or dual nationality restrictions under the Act. After careful consideration, and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security has determined that Libya, Somalia, and Yemen be included as countries of concern, specifically for individuals who have traveled to these countries since March 1, 2011. At this time, the restriction on Visa Waiver Program travel will not apply to dual nationals of these three countries. DHS continues to consult with the Department of State and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to develop further criteria to determine whether other countries would be added to this list.

Last month, the United States began implementing changes under the Act. The three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals. Under the new law, the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive these restrictions if he determines that such a waiver is in the law enforcement or national security interests of the United States. Such waivers will be granted only on a case-by-case basis. As a general matter, categories of travelers who may be eligible for a waiver include individuals who traveled to these countries on behalf of international organizations, regional organizations, and sub-national governments on official duty; on behalf of a humanitarian NGO on official duty; or as a journalist for reporting purposes.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/dhs-announces-further-travel-restrictions-visa-waiver-program

 

[Use of Time]

So wait, is he a Muslim sympathizer or not. Whatever the narrative needs to be I suppose.

 

[InTheLight]

Difference between Obama and Trump's actions. (From the directive quoted, above)

After careful consideration, and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security has determined...

DHS continues to consult with the Department of State and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence...

 

[annsni]

Difference between Obama and Trump's actions. (From the directive quoted, above)

After careful consideration, and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security has determined...

DHS continues to consult with the Department of State and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence...

That doesn't matter. The issue at hand are the countries of risk. President Obama's own Homeland Security team found these 7 countries to be of most concern and President Trump agreed and took it one step further. It was the former administration who picked the countries based on their own intelligence. It has nothing to do with religion but instead which countries pose the most risk of harming us or other countries.

 

[InTheLight]

That doesn't matter. The issue at hand are the countries of risk. President Obama's own Homeland Security team found these 7 countries to be of most concern and President Trump agreed and took it one step further. It was the former administration who picked the countries based on their own intelligence. It has nothing to do with religion but instead which countries pose the most risk of harming us or other countries.

Since the ban does not include people from Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, United Arab Emigrates, and Pakistan it does not include those countries which pose the most risk of harming us. These are the countries of origin for the 9/11 terrorists and also the San Bernardino terrorists.

I wish Trump would have "taken it one step further" and included these countries. As it stands right now, it looks like it was a quick and easy way to keep a campaign promise and placate a bloc of voters.