Gap Theory in Creation

[Trotter]

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world , that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Well, that tells me that God was there before the foundation of the world, and that He already knew us, and who would choose His Son.

As far as the angels, you have to remember that God is not restricted by time and space as we are. God is omnipresent, and therefore is everywhere and everywhen at once. Nothing we say or do surprises God because He has already seen and heard it. So the beginning (as we see it) is the same as the end (as God sees it). Our finite perspective doesn't allow us to perceive the whole of God's activities before, during, and after the creation.

As far as a gap, I don't see it, nor do I accept it. I was raised a child of evolution, and the premise smacks of days that are "millions of years long," as I used to try to explain it. It's so much easier to understand God's power and creativity through His record of six days and nights.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

[Artimaeus]

Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
Then you believe in a different gap theory, somewhere in the following chapters in Genesis?

No gap, ther just has to be a reasonable place and time for these events to occur witout stretching credibility

 

[Trotter]

Death is part of the ripple effect of man's sin. If Adam and Eve had never sinned, death would not have invaded eternity.

The Garden of Eden was perfection. There were no carnivores, so animals had no reason to die. Fruit was flentiful, and apparently always ready (the fruit of the two trees in the midst of the garden would ionly be dangerous for about one month a year otherwise). God made this world perfect in every way. Even Adam and his wife.

Part of this perfection was man's ability to choose. Without this ability, man would have been nothing more than a hairless animal (sounds like Darwin, huh?). God made man in His image, including the ability to choose. Man chose, and the Fall was the result.

I still don't get how or where anyone gets a supposed "gap" in Genesis. I still don't see it.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

[C.S. Murphy]

Originally posted by Paul of Eugene:

The death that Adam brought into the world was the death of men, not the death of animals. Its a perfectly acceptable use of the phrase "the world" to refer to mankind; for example, Luke points out Caesar decreed that all the world should be taxed.

So now you are saying there was another race that the Bible is silent about but to satisfy the sin question you are suggesting that this "other" race was only animals. Friends why not just return to the Word of God, it saves alot of speculation.

Murph

 

[C.S. Murphy]

Originally posted by Paul of Eugene:

It is man's interpretation that animal death is not good. Do you want the microbes to never die, thereby turning all earth into living microbes? Do you want the flies to never die, thereby turning all earth into living flies? Aren't these two phenomenon incompatible? Do you want plants to continue living, even though eaten?

The pain of non-persons is not suffering in the same sense that pain for a person is suffering.

WOW!!!!

Murph

 

[Paul of Eugene]

Originally posted by DHK:
No, you have a wrong concept of God's creation before man's sin. Before Adam sinned were there carnivores? Did man kill and eat meat? Were there thorns? Were there flesh eating diseases caused by harmful bacteria? Were there mosquitos that sucked the blood out of man? Were there leeches that leeched the blood of man? Did polar bears stalk man (the only animal known to mankind that naturally will do so)? Did the flies serve their purpose eventually producing the maggots that sped up the decay of dead carcasses? What kind of creation do you envision when God said it was "very good?"
It was a perfect creation.
If Adam and Eve had eaten of the Tree of Life instead of the fruit of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil, what would have happened. Perhaps they would have lived forever in a perfect paradise with no death. But they didn't. They sinned. What will happen in the world in the Millennial Kingdom, after Christ returns and sets up his Kingdom on earth? How much death will there be then? In a perfect world is it necessary for microbes to live in water? In a perfect world, such as God created, the functions of many of the animals and plants change. For example, will the lion lie down with the sheep? In the future he won't eat it for he will no longer be carnivorous. God will cause change to happen in many animals and plants. Change happened as a result of the curse. Someday that curse will be lifted.
DHK

The problem with clinging to the literal interpretation as you have outlined it is simple; it has been shown to be wrong. The earth has been shown to be 4.5 billion years old. many animals that were extinct millions of years before mankind came on the scene were manifestedly carnivores. The classic example, of course, is Tyronnosaurs Rex. This guy died off 65 million years before men came along and no man ever saw him except as a skeleton. His teeth are manfest evidence he ate flesh. Since this is inconsistent with the interpretation of scripture you have outlined, I am forced to reject your interpretation of scripture in favor of one that squares with the evidence of what the earth's past actually was.

As for how God will arrange the ideal life after Christ's return, I will let him take care of those little details any way He sees fit, as will all the rest of us, of course!

 

[C.S. Murphy]

Originally posted by Paul of Eugene:
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Since this is inconsistent with the interpretation of scripture you have outlined, I am forced to reject your interpretation of scripture in favor of one that squares with the evidence of what the earth's past actually was.

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Basically the problem I have is that while these scientists may mean well and they may be very intelligent they were not there to definatly say their theory is true. On the other hand God was there and He has left us His word which says a literal 6 days. You want to reject this in favor of squaring with scientists? Does anybody here not realize the danger of such a statement.
Murph

 

[just-want-peace]

You want to reject this in favor of squaring with scientists? Does anybody here not realize the danger of such a statement.

Have never understood why some people can accept that Adam & Eve were created fully grown (what 25, 30, 40 years old?) and it's OK, but the age of the earth is either "scientifically" ancient, OR God was just trying(?) to fool us by creating a deception!

Is the bible God's word or not? If it is, why not accept it; If it's not why accept any of it?

Joshua 24:15

--- choose you this day whom ye will serve---

 

[john6:63]

Originally posted by just-want-peace:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />You want to reject this in favor of squaring with scientists? Does anybody here not realize the danger of such a statement.

Have never understood why some people can accept that Adam & Eve were created fully grown (what 25, 30, 40 years old?) and it's OK, but the age of the earth is either "scientifically" ancient, OR God was just trying(?) to fool us by creating a deception!

Is the bible God's word or not? If it is, why not accept it; If it's not why accept any of it?

Joshua 24:15

--- choose you this day whom ye will serve---

</font>[/QUOTE]I posted the following response on the “evolution propaganda” thread, but fell it needs to be posted here as well.

Someone whose moniker I won’t reveal, used to post in the ‘Creation/Evolution’ forum, who supported evolution and discredited Genesis as history, I’ve noticed him in various ‘atheistic’ and ‘freethinker’ message boards. I emailed him, b/c I haven’t seen him on the BB in awhile, and he responded back that he had lost his faith in the Word of God. The evidences of fallible man were just too convincing and it convinced him into an agnostic/atheist belief.

A few here may have a strong faith in God and still able to continue their walk with faith in God, even though they believe fallible mans theories on the origin of man; but Peter in Romans 14:21 says that one must not do anything that will cause thy brother to stumble or make weak or even offend. So when someone is posting his or her Evolutionary Propaganda, a weaker brother or sister may stumble and fall right into an agnostic/atheist belief…the devil's thinking this is way to easy...