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Gas $ Urge to Surge

SGO

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link: Gas Price Surge Fueled by Supply Squeeze, But Biden Policies Could Drive Them Higher: Experts

Gas Price Surge Fueled by Supply Squeeze, But Biden Policies Could Drive Them Higher: Experts

BY TOM OZIMEK

March 9, 2021 Updated: March 9, 2021
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While experts say the current gas price spike is mostly driven by demand recovering faster than the winter storm-squeezed supply, others warn “hostile” White House policies are likely to drive them even higher in the long term.

The average price per gallon in the United States as of Tuesday morning was $2.82, up 34 cents from a month ago, according to Gas Buddy, with experts widely believing consumers should brace for more pain at the pump.

“The national gas price average will likely hit $3 by Memorial Day and stay around that price for the majority of the summer,” Jay R. Young, Chief Executive Officer at King Operating Corporation, a Dallas-based oil and gas operator, told The Epoch Times in an emailed statement.

Young explained the rising gas price story as resurgent demand combined with squeezed supply.

“Gasoline demand rose to the highest level last week since the pandemic began as cases are dropping and more Americans are getting out more and filling up,” Young said.

Federal data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration show gas prices have mostly risen steadily since they bottomed out in early May 2020, around the peak of the lockdowns imposed to curb the spread of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus. The reopening that followed into the summer months roughly tracked with rising prices at the pump, which tapered off and even dropped slightly into the fall as a second wave drove case counts higher.

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Gas prices from 1995 to the present. (U.S. Energy Information Administration)
But with the vaccine rollout underway and continued reopening, demand continues to expand.

“US gasoline demand rose 4.3 [percent] on Sunday vs the prior Sunday, or 18.4 [percent] above the rolling four week average for Sunday,” wrote Patrick De Haan, a Gas Buddy analyst, in a tweet Monday.

At the same time, production can’t keep up.

“On the supply side, the number of active oil rigs in the U.S. is standing nearly 50 percent lower than this time one year ago,” Young said, arguing that the most direct impact on the current price hike is coming from February’s winter storm that took 26 refineries offline in the United States.

Further squeezing supply is the fact that the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) on Thursday agreed not to increase the level of oil production through April, with the exception of Russia and Kazakhstan. Last April, OPEC agreed to cut 10 million barrels per day of oil production in a bid to stave off an oil price collapse in the face of the pandemic-driven demand drop-off.

“Demand is recovering much faster than oil production level, which is why oil prices continue to increase rapidly,” Young said.

“Depending on which side of oil you’re on, you either hate it or love it,” Young added, commenting on the OPEC decision not to raise production. “Investors are happy, but come summertime at the pump, consumers should be prepared to pay extra premiums.”


Storage tanks at the Marathon Petroleum Corp. refinery in Detroit, on April 21, 2020. (Paul Sancya/AP Photo)
Oil prices hit above $65 per barrel intraday Tuesday, the highest in a year.

“In the long term, we could see prices between $70-80 per barrel by 3Q this year,” Young predicted.

But some, like former Shell Oil president John Hofmeister, worry that President Joe Biden’s policies may drive prices even higher.

Hofmeister confirmed in an interview on Fox Business on Thursday that the supply squeeze was having the most direct, short-term impact on gas prices.

“But there’s something else that’s going on that’s more subtle,” he said, namely that “the industry, the producers, are practicing serious capital discipline and they’re not roaring back to produce more oil. And also, they’re getting squeezed by the administration,” he said.

“So the ban on leasing—the prohibition on new leases from the Biden administration—that’s going to create a psychology in the industry of, ‘There’s going to be less available,’ and the psychology drives the pricing as well,” he argued.

“As long as we see this hostile administration, we’re going to have a problem with prices,” Hofmeister added.

De Haan said in a tweet Thursday that Biden’s policies—which include canceling the Keystone XL pipeline project and imposing a moratorium on new oil and gas leases on federal land and waters—were not having an impact on prices in the near term, but posed an increased risk in the longer term.

“Unlike state owned oil companies, Biden has no say to cut or raise production, it’s purely market based,” he wrote. “Also, pipelines don’t produce oil, and there is plenty of capacity. And last, no oil company is looking for new leases, so that’s not an impact either. Will be down road.”

Crude oil futures, a predictor of future prices, show a slow but steady drop from the April 2021 price of $64.34 per barrel through $62.25 in September, down to $58.72 in April 2022, suggesting that after a gas price peak in spring, consumers will see gradual relief.
 

Baptist Believer

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The increase in the price of oil is excellent for fundamental portions of the US economy, especially the energy sector.

Regarding gasoline prices, one of the reasons for price hikes is the need to create the "summer blend" of gasoline that burns cleaner in higher atmospheric temperatures. All things being equal, gas prices almost always go up this time of year, only to settle out mid-summer.
 

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Gas prices started going up - just about 20 Jan - Hmm, seems like something else happened that day.
It has increased over 50 cents locally here in CNY.
 

Baptist Believer

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Gas prices started going up - just about 20 Jan - Hmm, seems like something else happened that day.
It has increased over 50 cents locally here in CNY.
Sure. It is probably optimism that our economy will be restored (increased demand for gasoline) since we now have an administration who is dealing sanely with the issues of the pandemic.

The Trump Administration had some success with encouraging the development of the Moderna vaccine and the new Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but had no strong plan to vaccine except to leave it to the states to figure it out (just like the PPE fiasco), so now we are having record numbers vaccinated and things are starting to look good.
 

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It was 3.19/g in Federal Way, WA yesterday, going up up up and I do a lot of travel by car. Will stop much of it when it goes over five a gallon, but then fuel jet prices will scale up in unison, as usual.

Maybe I should buy one of those stupid EVs but that's troublesome if everyone else has the same idea - imagine the stress on the electrical grid if tens of millions of people charge their vehicle.

Higher gas prices are terrible, since the price of everything goes up as well. I have seen the bs on the "summer blend", that may account for a fifteen cent increase at the most:

Changing Seasons, Changing Gas Prices | NACS (convenience.org)
 

Baptist Believer

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Are we talking about gasoline or shots?
I'm talking about the price of gasoline going up because of optimism about vaccine shots. Wholesale gasoline prices are set by the expectation of the demand in the near future. With so many people getting vaccinated, there is a good chance that our country's economy will be able to open up. There will be a lot of pent-up demand and desire to travel, unless states like Texas and Mississippi create another surge of the pandemic before we can reach herd immunity.
 

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I'm talking about the price of gasoline going up because of optimism about vaccine shots. Wholesale gasoline prices are set by the expectation of the demand in the near future. With so many people getting vaccinated, there is a good chance that our country's economy will be able to open up. There will be a lot of pent-up demand and desire to travel, unless states like Texas and Mississippi create another surge of the pandemic before we can reach herd immunity.

Conversely, if all states responded like TEXAS, & FLA. perhaps we would NOW have herd immunity!
But the temptation to control others is too great for the dems to resist!:(
 

Scott Downey

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Its 2.57 here in fla
Diesel I have seen going for $2.74
Diesel and Gas had dropped under $2 for a while months ago.
Lowest I saw for gas at Sam's club was $1.47

High prices like this is a real tax on business and people, it contributes to inflation, we may get lots higher interest rates under Biden's policies. You would think people would learn democrats tend to be bad for the economy, like the Carter years were terrible, Biden feels like that to me.
 

Revmitchell

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Diesel I have seen going for $2.74
Diesel and Gas had dropped under $2 for a while months ago.
Lowest I saw for gas at Sam's club was $1.47

High prices like this is a real tax on business and people, it contributes to inflation, we may get lots higher interest rates under Biden's policies. You would think people would learn democrats tend to be bad for the economy, like the Carter years were terrible, Biden feels like that to me.

I meant at sams. Dont let anyone fool ya these higher prices are all about this new admin and they aint good. Slowing down oil production and making us dependent on others for oil is evil.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Conversely, if all states responded like TEXAS, & FLA. perhaps we would NOW have herd immunity!
But the temptation to control others is too great for the dems to resist!:(
Herd immunity :Laugh

yea, just buried a friend who lost his wife to COVID in May. They just thought it was a joke. Oh well,:rolleyes:
 

Scott Downey

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Herd immunity :Laugh

yea, just buried a friend who lost his wife to COVID in May. They just thought it was a joke. Oh well,:rolleyes:
Laugh all you want, herd immunity is really all there is and true for all of history.
Vaccinations are also designed to create herd immunity, as not everyone gets vaccinated and vaccines dont work in all cases.
Herd immunity guarantees survival of the herd, not individuals.
 

Scott Downey

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link: Gas Price Surge Fueled by Supply Squeeze, But Biden Policies Could Drive Them Higher: Experts

Gas Price Surge Fueled by Supply Squeeze, But Biden Policies Could Drive Them Higher: Experts

BY TOM OZIMEK

March 9, 2021 Updated: March 9, 2021
Print
While experts say the current gas price spike is mostly driven by demand recovering faster than the winter storm-squeezed supply, others warn “hostile” White House policies are likely to drive them even higher in the long term.

The average price per gallon in the United States as of Tuesday morning was $2.82, up 34 cents from a month ago, according to Gas Buddy, with experts widely believing consumers should brace for more pain at the pump.

“The national gas price average will likely hit $3 by Memorial Day and stay around that price for the majority of the summer,” Jay R. Young, Chief Executive Officer at King Operating Corporation, a Dallas-based oil and gas operator, told The Epoch Times in an emailed statement.

Young explained the rising gas price story as resurgent demand combined with squeezed supply.

“Gasoline demand rose to the highest level last week since the pandemic began as cases are dropping and more Americans are getting out more and filling up,” Young said.

Federal data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration show gas prices have mostly risen steadily since they bottomed out in early May 2020, around the peak of the lockdowns imposed to curb the spread of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus. The reopening that followed into the summer months roughly tracked with rising prices at the pump, which tapered off and even dropped slightly into the fall as a second wave drove case counts higher.

gas-price-chart.jpg

Gas prices from 1995 to the present. (U.S. Energy Information Administration)
But with the vaccine rollout underway and continued reopening, demand continues to expand.

“US gasoline demand rose 4.3 [percent] on Sunday vs the prior Sunday, or 18.4 [percent] above the rolling four week average for Sunday,” wrote Patrick De Haan, a Gas Buddy analyst, in a tweet Monday.

At the same time, production can’t keep up.

“On the supply side, the number of active oil rigs in the U.S. is standing nearly 50 percent lower than this time one year ago,” Young said, arguing that the most direct impact on the current price hike is coming from February’s winter storm that took 26 refineries offline in the United States.

Further squeezing supply is the fact that the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) on Thursday agreed not to increase the level of oil production through April, with the exception of Russia and Kazakhstan. Last April, OPEC agreed to cut 10 million barrels per day of oil production in a bid to stave off an oil price collapse in the face of the pandemic-driven demand drop-off.

“Demand is recovering much faster than oil production level, which is why oil prices continue to increase rapidly,” Young said.

“Depending on which side of oil you’re on, you either hate it or love it,” Young added, commenting on the OPEC decision not to raise production. “Investors are happy, but come summertime at the pump, consumers should be prepared to pay extra premiums.”


Storage tanks at the Marathon Petroleum Corp. refinery in Detroit, on April 21, 2020. (Paul Sancya/AP Photo)
Oil prices hit above $65 per barrel intraday Tuesday, the highest in a year.

“In the long term, we could see prices between $70-80 per barrel by 3Q this year,” Young predicted.

But some, like former Shell Oil president John Hofmeister, worry that President Joe Biden’s policies may drive prices even higher.

Hofmeister confirmed in an interview on Fox Business on Thursday that the supply squeeze was having the most direct, short-term impact on gas prices.

“But there’s something else that’s going on that’s more subtle,” he said, namely that “the industry, the producers, are practicing serious capital discipline and they’re not roaring back to produce more oil. And also, they’re getting squeezed by the administration,” he said.

“So the ban on leasing—the prohibition on new leases from the Biden administration—that’s going to create a psychology in the industry of, ‘There’s going to be less available,’ and the psychology drives the pricing as well,” he argued.

“As long as we see this hostile administration, we’re going to have a problem with prices,” Hofmeister added.

De Haan said in a tweet Thursday that Biden’s policies—which include canceling the Keystone XL pipeline project and imposing a moratorium on new oil and gas leases on federal land and waters—were not having an impact on prices in the near term, but posed an increased risk in the longer term.

“Unlike state owned oil companies, Biden has no say to cut or raise production, it’s purely market based,” he wrote. “Also, pipelines don’t produce oil, and there is plenty of capacity. And last, no oil company is looking for new leases, so that’s not an impact either. Will be down road.”

Crude oil futures, a predictor of future prices, show a slow but steady drop from the April 2021 price of $64.34 per barrel through $62.25 in September, down to $58.72 in April 2022, suggesting that after a gas price peak in spring, consumers will see gradual relief.

JIMMY CARTER also had bad energy policies, democrats always blame greedy oil companies, well since they are socialists that makes sense. socialists want to run the world through centrally planned economies.
The energy shortage was entirely contrived by politics and policy.
DRIVE 55, price controls, block long lines for filling up, even - odd license plate fuel quotas, all that is on the democrats from decades past, people never learn.

Maybe Biden will be like that guy.
As the 39th president of the United States, Jimmy Carter struggled to respond to formidable challenges, including a major energy crisis as well as high inflation and unemployment. Perhaps Carter's most ignominious contribution was his now often maligned fireside sweater-wearing speech extolling energy conservation, lamenting the national "malaise" and calling for the "moral equivalent of war" on energy.

We eventually got relief after getting rid of the guy as POTUS
 

Baptist Believer

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Conversely, if all states responded like TEXAS, & FLA. perhaps we would NOW have herd immunity!
Maybe, but probably not. What we would certainly have is an enormous number of deaths from COVID-19 and the collapse of our healthcare system, so that people with emergency needs (car crash, heart attack, cancer, etc.) would not be able to get treatment. I'm not willing to sacrifice millions of lives simply to avoid wearing a mask when I go out in public. And its appalling that people who claim to be Christians would resist wearing masks to protect their neighbors, when loving one's neighbor is the most well-known teaching of Jesus, even among persons who have never darkened the door of a church!

But the temptation to control others is too great for the dems to resist!:(
It has never been about "control," except to control disease so people would not needlessly die. That is LITERALLY a pro-life position, but many "pro-life Christians" don't actually care about life.
 

Baptist Believer

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Slowing down oil production and making us dependent on others for oil is evil.
The only thing that has slowed down oil production is a lack of demand and a glut of oil on the market. Higher oil prices are a reflection of the glut of oil being consumed and a positive view of the future of oil.
 

Baptist Believer

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Diesel I have seen going for $2.74
Diesel and Gas had dropped under $2 for a while months ago.
Yes, because there was a worldwide glut of oil and refined fuel products completely filling all storage capacity. Don't you remember the photos of all of the oil tankers parked offshore because there was no place to offload oil? It even got so bad that producers were PAYING people to take it off their hands at -$37.63 a barrel! Whoever is feeding you the narrative that Biden is causing oil prices to rise and that is completely a bad thing is either completely clueless about the petroleum industry, or they are lying to you.

Oil glut makes storage a pricey commodity of its own

Supertankers drafted in to store glut of crude oil

The oil glut is filling up the world’s supertankers fast

Amid a supply glut, a flotilla of oil tankers hovers off Long Island

Behind Oil-Market Gyrations: Few Places Left to Store Unwanted Crude


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Baptist Believer

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JIMMY CARTER also had bad energy policies, democrats always blame greedy oil companies, well since they are socialists that makes sense. socialists want to run the world through centrally planned economies.
The energy shortage was entirely contrived by politics and policy.
The "politics" was the rise of OPEC in the early 1970s and the Arab oil embargo that began in 1973. US politics had no control over it. Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer and Georgia Governor. I lived through this era in the middle of the oil refining capital of the world. When I was a young boy, my father showed me how to tell if the huge oil tanks in the many tank farms around us were full or not (look at the position of the staircases on the floating lids), so I kept track of how much oil and gasoline products were available, and sat in the gas lines, planning minor trips according to the days we could buy gasoline.

DRIVE 55, price controls, block long lines for filling up, even - odd license plate fuel quotas, all that is on the democrats from decades past, people never learn.
That was under Nixon and then Ford. There was an oil shortage cause by OPEC. It was not a Democrat or Republican thing.

As the 39th president of the United States, Jimmy Carter struggled to respond to formidable challenges, including a major energy crisis as well as high inflation and unemployment. Perhaps Carter's most ignominious contribution was his now often maligned fireside sweater-wearing speech extolling energy conservation, lamenting the national "malaise" and calling for the "moral equivalent of war" on energy.
Yes, we had a real energy crisis.

We eventually got relief after getting rid of the guy as POTUS
The relief began before then, but the hostage crisis and the deep contempt of much of the Arab world for Carter because of US support for the Shah of Iran and Israel, and that prevented things from improving. Anwar Sadat was assassinated not long after (October 1981) for making a peace deal with Israel that was brokered by Carter.

I don't think that Carter was a good President, but your allegations show extreme ignorance of history and facts.
 
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