Gay Rights = Anti-Christian

[Aaron]

It sounds like they got better treatment than the slaves in America of the 18th and 19th centuries.

You see, this is the thing you can't get through your skull. You're treating sodomy as if it identifies a class of person. It does not. There is no comparison between Sodom and slavery.

 

[Aaron]

I agree with sag32's post more than I disagree with it. *shrug*

But it isn't true.

 

[evenifigoalone]

But it isn't true.

It's my opinion that it's more true than it is false.
But, clearly you don't think so. That's fine.

 

[DHK]

You see, this is the thing you can't get through your skull. You're treating sodomy as if it identifies a class of person. It does not. There is no comparison between Sodom and slavery.

So I am right.
In your mind because it was Okay to treat the slaves as trash (and they were humans), it is perfectly alright to treat the homosexuals as worse than trash, for they don't even reach the status of trash in your highly esteemed opinion.

 

[Aaron]

Can't post opinion as history. It's false.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Can't post opinion as history. It's false.

History is itself clouded by perspective, or lack of it (for lack of better wording), as we attempt to make sense of what we can find on it. Even the subject of the history of slavery can be seen from many viewpoints. And we all tend to have our own predisposed perspectives, complicating it further.
Even historians disagree among themselves.

 

[Aaron]

So I am right.
In your mind because it was Okay to treat the slaves as trash (and they were humans), it is perfectly alright to treat the homosexuals as worse than trash, for they don't even reach the status of trash in your highly esteemed opinion.

Homosexuality is not a status.

 

[DHK]

Homosexuality is not a status.

And slavery was???

 

[righteousdude2]

Agreed!

I don't think the gay rights movement is anti-Christian (or at last the most vocal ones are) because they hate Christians so much as they've been brainwashed and manipulated into the mindset in various ways. They're deceived, and they are people who need to be reached just as any other sinner.
I actually have a couple (non-Christian) friends who are gay. They're not hostile towards Christianity, even knowing my views.

I have several neighbors who are gay, and they know I am a pastor! We are quite neighborly and civil towards one another, and I happen to think they are very nice people.

Of course, in my heart, I know that without Jesus, they will spend eternity in hell! Please don't ask me why I don't witness to them.

I don't witness to them for the same reason I don't discuss Obamacare or how Obama is making a mess of this nation with Balck folk! I do not wish to entertain stressful drama!

I don't witness to gays for the same reason I don't go up to Hispanics marching and carrying signs DEMANDING amnesty. It would end in drama, and I just don't do drama any longer.

I don't witness to gays for the same reason I don't witness to the Moron boys or the Jehovah Witnesses who come to my door.

You see; all these groups have their minds and hearts pretty much set on his or her life style, and little I do, other than getting into an argument with them [that never ends well] is going to change them.

I know this because my own daughter is a lesbian, and not just a lesbian, and an anti-Christian, God-hating, militant gay! Talking to her is a lost cause, like she is!

You see; Jesus did give permission to walk away from those whose minds are dead set against John 3:16 ... to shake the sand from our sandals and proceed on down the road!

Are gay's anti Christian? Not openly, and of course, they don't go around looking for a fight, just like I don't go around looking for one with them. They seem content to live in the way they have chosen to live, and like Paul said in Romans 1, I think the above folks have been TURNED over to the folly of their minds and hearts, and they will have to answer for their choices!

That is how I see it... and in fact, that is the rest of the story, good day!

 

[evenifigoalone]

No complaints here, I just don't see homosexuals as necessarily closed to Christianity simply by virtue of being one and I rather hope others don't, either. (As I mentioned before, ex-gays who converted to Christianity do exist.)

And I have no room to talk, because do I go around witnessing to everybody every day? Nope. I'm too shy to talk most of the way. And I'm not one to get into a fight about it, either. I do my best to avoid that manner of confrontation; usually if it happens it's others that initiate it.
The witnessing I do do is online when a discussion happens to come up and I'm able to share my faith in some way. Or when unbelievers ask me about my faith. (Which is usually online.) There are certainly people not worth wasting time on, because their hearts are closed. That's pretty clear just by talking to certain people for a moment, they are not open to anything you have to say.
I try to treat everyone the way I'd want to be treated, and in doing so, making friends rather than enemies, I hope to maybe have some part in leaning their hearts to the truth. Although, yes, there are those that just will not be reached.

 

[salzer mtn]

Close, but no cigar.

You spoke of perversion leading to God-hating when the truth is exposed.

Does that go for all the pastors and deacons and active male church members who are Christians and who are also in bondage to porn?

Porn is a perversion indeed and how many Christian men do YOU think haven't dealt with this sin because they haven't been confronted with it? Do you think they will be God-haters when the truth shines on their actions?

Yes, there are untold number of homosexuals who are God-haters and Christianity haters.

And there are lots that are not.

I had a lesbian couple in my Sunday School class about 25 years ago. I knew they were gay. They knew I knew. I told no one. One fellow member of the class did come to me and ask me what I thought. I told her and she agreed.

I felt that kicking them out of my class would be counterproductive. They needed to stay and hear the truth and hear it in love.

Early during the quarter or so that they were there, we had a lesson on homosexuality. I let the truth shine. I held nothing back. If they didn't know that homosexuality - both male and female - was an abomination to God after that lesson, they won't ever know.

I also taught that day that homosexuals can be freed and saved and can repent and that God loves them and does not want them to live in that manner.

One day, one woman came by herself. We talked a little after church about it and she mostly kept her head down. She said she understand what I was saying, but didn't say much else.

They kept coming for a few more months and then separated and one moved to Texas and one moved to another city in Louisiana.

They were exposed to the truth and did not hate God for it. Perhaps the separation came FROM hearing the truth in love - I don't know.

Not all homosexuals are God-haters.

And there are plenty of people who have worn a hole in the seat cushion of the church pew over the past decades who ARE.

Two things I disagree with your post. I don't think the way to approach any lost person is to tell them God loves them. That is salvation to my ears to know that God loves me. There is a effectual love and a love of benevolence where he shows every day mercy to all. To tell one God loves him is to deny Psa 5:5 Thou hatest all workers of iniquity and Psa 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. and St. John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The other is to compare homosexuals to a man lusting after a woman, or gluttons or liers as other posters have already done. In 1 Cor 11:14 why does it say that nature teaches a man it is a shame to have long hair ? because it puts his appearance to be womanly, the very opposite of a man, it is un-natural, it goes again nature.

 

[Aaron]

And slavery was???

Yes, a slave is a social status. It is not the behavior or sin of the individual.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Homosexuality is not a status.

And slavery was???

Yes, a slave is a social status. It is not the behavior or sin of the individual.

From Webster's Online

sta·tus
noun, often attributive \ˈstā-təs, ˈsta-\

: the position or rank of someone or something when compared to others in a society, organization, group, etc.

: high position or rank in society

: the official position of a person or thing according to the law

Explain to me how both "slave" and "homosexual" fail to fit into that definition.

 

[DHK]

Yes, a slave is a social status. It is not the behavior or sin of the individual.

In a country like India servants (slaves) fall into the lowest castes (status), and are often treated badly.
But the same holds true for lepers, transgenders, and other known deviants.
They all fall into the same "caste."
So would a drunkard.

Society treats them the same, especially there.
However they are all humans.
Even in America, do you have the right to abuse mankind whether they be in lower status or a sinful state. What gives you the right to degrade, abuse, etc. others? Where in the Bible does it say: Do NOT love your neighbor as yourself?

 

[Scarlett O.]

I don't think the way to approach any lost person is to tell them God loves them. That is salvation to my ears to know that God loves me. There is a effectual love and a love of benevolence where he shows every day mercy to all. To tell one God loves him is to deny Psa 5:5 Thou hatest all workers of iniquity and Psa 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. and St. John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

I DID tell them that homosexuality was a great iniquity before I told them that he loved them. I didn't just spread the "rainbow and candyland" love of God.

Here's what I said in the post.

I felt that kicking them out of my class would be counterproductive. They needed to stay and hear the truth and hear it in love.

Early during the quarter or so that they were there, we had a lesson on homosexuality. I let the truth shine. I held nothing back. If they didn't know that homosexuality - both male and female - was an abomination to God after that lesson, they won't ever know.

I also taught that day that homosexuals can be freed and saved and can repent and that God loves them and does not want them to live in that manner.

The other is to compare homosexuals to a man lusting after a woman, or gluttons or liers as other posters have already done. In 1 Cor 11:14 why does it say that nature teaches a man it is a shame to have long hair ? because it puts his appearance to be womanly, the very opposite of a man, it is un-natural, it goes again nature.

So if homosexuality is worse than the deacons, pastors, and men of the church who consume and use porn on Saturday nights and Sunday afternoons, then what do we do with the words of Paul when said that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God ...

.... right along with adulterers, liars, drunkards, and those who covet.

What ARE we going to do with 1 Corinthians 6:9?

What ARE we going to do with all the "church-going" men (laymen and leadership) who consume and use porn in a heterosexual manner as some Christian research has shown they do?

Yes, homosexuality is unnatural. It's gross. It's unacceptable. And - it's an abomination before God.

Lying is also an abomination and so is the fantasy in the mind that goes with porn. Proverbs 6:16-19 So is pride. Proverbs 16:5

I'm not trying to downplay homosexuality and it's being an unnatural abomination before God.

But I just can't take other sins and place them in a "lower ranking". And I can't accept NOT telling homosexuals that God loves them and wants them to repent after they are told the truth of what God thinks about homosexuality.

 

[Dr. Bob]

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