Gen 24:48 The KJV get's it wrong?

[Rippon]

Did I say that? I do not believe that I did. If you will provide me with a quote, verifying that I said that, I will gladly retract that statement.

Do you still agree with these propositions of yours ?

I would not go so far as to say it [ NLTse ] is the Word of God as is the KJV .

It [ NLTse ] merely contains the Word of God .

The NLT is a Bible , but only the KJV is a true version of the Word of God .

 

[franklinmonroe]

... If this is the case why did the KJV translators change words?

I believe they stated their purpose clearly: to make good translations into a better one ("better" means improved, and implies not yet having achieved 'best' status).

 

[Salamander]

The use of "daughter" shows the reader the need to understand Hebrew tradition.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I believe they stated their purpose clearly: to make good translations into a better one ("better" means improved, and implies not yet having achieved 'best' status).

Something, which according to their own words, they expected to continue.

 

[Palatka51]

Wow! You folks can really "strain at a gnat" can't you.

 

[Rippon]

Wow! You folks can really "strain at a gnat" can't you.

We are just making things clear for the unlearned .

Don't you appreciate the words of Miles Smith ? Do you disagree with him ?

I think KJVO'ers have swallowed a camel ! (That's a bit stronger than straining at a gnat . )

 

[Pastor_Bob]

Do you still agree with these propositions of yours ?

I would not go so far as to say it [ NLTse ] is the Word of God as is the KJV .

It [ NLTse ] merely contains the Word of God .

The NLT is a Bible , but only the KJV is a true version of the Word of God .

Can you provide me with a link so that I may look at these quotes in their context? At a glance, I'd say "yes," I still stand by these statements. That is not what you said that I said, however.

 

[EdSutton]

The use of "daughter" shows the reader the need to understand Hebrew tradition.

I agree that there is at least benefit to understanding Hebrew tradition, where Hebrew OT and NT references are concerned.

However I still have one question about this. At what point in time, or how many times has this "Hebrew tradition" changed, in 'English' understanding, at least, after Wycliffe (1382) and between others, along the way? A quick outline of a few versions and editions with approximate dates of some of their publication, as they are fairly commonly known in English include Wycliffe (1382), Tyndale (1525), Geneva (1560), Douai (1609), KJV (1611), Webster (1828), YLT (1862), RV (1885), DARBY (1890), ASV (1901), Moffatt (), 'Goodspeed' (), RSV (1952), Berkeley (1959), MLB (1969), NASB (1971), NIV (1978), NKJV (1982), ESV (2001), and the HCSB (2004).

NOt to mention there have been several hundred other editions and versions, as well. (FTR, as all versions and editions before about 80 years ago are now in the public comain in the US, one can issue their own edition, including change words without impugnity, save from the public themselves, and there are such extant editions, despite the protestations of some, that the KJV is not among them.)

Yet all do not render this usage in the same way, nor do all of them even render the same word the same way in every instance. And in fact, the Lord Jesus Christ addressed a person who would seem to have little family linship as "Daughter", if I recall.

Maybe the problem is not the Hebrew tradition, at all, but the English language and its wends and twists over 625+ years. I sometimes find it difficult to fully comprehend the dialect of someone from the Northeastern United States. I'm pretty sure I would not do all that well with John Wycliffe, today, nor he with me.

Ed

 

[Palatka51]

We are just making things clear for the unlearned .

Don't you appreciate the words of Miles Smith ? Do you disagree with him ?

I think KJVO'ers have swallowed a camel ! (That's a bit stronger than straining at a gnat . )

I was pointing at the whole discussion. Not at one particular view. I think that this discussion serves only to garner confusion and not knowledge. You however are pointing at a particular view only to flame the issue. There is no knowledge gained in this type of behavior.

 

[Rippon]

Please define "corrupt textual basis" . You may be at odds with Dean Burgon .

Pastor Bob , you may have missed this significant question of mine . Please respond .

 

[Pastor_Bob]

Pastor Bob , you may have missed this significant question of mine . Please respond .

All in due time. Please provide a link to the quotes you have ascribed to me. I believe I have been misrepresented. I would like to address this issue first.

 

[franklinmonroe]

... And in fact, the Lord Jesus Christ addressed a person who would seem to have little family linship as "Daughter", if I recall...

It was the woman having an issue of blood twelve years that was healed after touching the border of Jesus' garment (KJV) --

And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace. (Luke 8:48)

And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague. (Mark 5:34)

But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole.
And the woman was made whole from that hour. (Matthew 9:22)​

The Greek word in all three cases is thygater (Strong's #2364) defined several ways: a daughter of God, a female descendant, or collectively all the inhabitants of a specified place. Rendered all 29 times in the KJV as "daughter".

 

[Salamander]

. I sometimes find it difficult to fully comprehend the dialect of someone from the Northeastern United States. I'm pretty sure I would not do all that well with John Wycliffe, today, nor he with me.

Ed

:laugh: Now you're talking about people from "another country!"

 

[Salamander]

It was the woman having an issue of blood twelve years that was healed after touching the border of Jesus' garment (KJV) --

And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace. (Luke 8:48)

And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague. (Mark 5:34)

But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole.
And the woman was made whole from that hour. (Matthew 9:22)
​

The Greek word in all three cases is thygater (Strong's #2364) defined several ways: a daughter of God, a female descendant, or collectively all the inhabitants of a specified place. Rendered all 29 times in the KJV as "daughter".

And Jesus then correctly addressed her and another verse to prove the deity of Christ.

What about other versions, do they render it all 29 times to be "daughter"?

 

[Salamander]

I was pointing at the whole discussion. Not at one particular view. I think that this discussion serves only to garner confusion and not knowledge. You however are pointing at a particular view only to flame the issue. There is no knowledge gained in this type of behavior.

I agree with your premise, but i think we can learn from some of the posts in this thread as the use of "daughter" by the Lord.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

And Jesus then correctly addressed her and another verse to prove the deity of Christ.

What about other versions, do they render it all 29 times to be "daughter"?

NKJV - 26 TIMES
ESV - 25 TIMES
ERV - 31 TIMES
HCSB - 26 TIMES
ASV - 31 TIMES
NLT - 22 TIMES
NAB - 25 TIMES
BBE - 25 TIMES

 

[EdSutton]

I sometimes find it difficult to fully comprehend the dialect of someone from the Northeastern United States. I'm pretty sure I would not do all that well with John Wycliffe, today, nor he with me.

:laugh: Now you're talking about people from "another country!"

Pretty much, I agree, especially with the Downeasters, and those from the environs around Beantown and Gotham.

In fact, ol' John W. might well be easier to understand, even after more than 600 years, than they would be. :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Wow! You folks can really "strain at a gnat" can't you.

Or would that be "strain out a gnat"?

Ed

 

[AntennaFarmer]

I hate it when gnats get in the house.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I hate it when gnats get in the house.

I hate it when gnats get in the house. They are unclean critters - if one flies in one's mouth, they are defiled for several days and their prayers will go unheard.