General P dances to the questions

[poncho]

You think it will be cheaper AFTER Iran has control of Iraq and all oil?

All oil huh?

Look don't sweat it okay. The good guys are on it already. We got people in Iran who do uh "things" to destabilize Iran. The funding was debated in congress the team even made the news a few times now the Iranians call them "terrorists?

We call them assets.

We aren't going anywhere without "all oil" trust me.:smilewinkgrin:

Cheaper doesn't matter either way we're still broke.

 

[webdog]

Do you know why they were enemies? Because Iraq was controlled by Sunnis while Saddam Hussein was the dictator. Now Iraq is controlled by Shiites, just as Iran is controlled by Shiites. Do you understand the change in the situation now?

Each country is still in turmoil due to Sunnis. Who's to say without the US presence over there that the Shiite control will remain?

 

[webdog]

All oil huh?

Look don't sweat it okay. The good guys are on it already. We got people in Iran who do uh "things" to destabilize Iran. Been debated in congress and made the news a few times now. We aren't going anywhere without "all oil"

But we're still broke. Cheaper doesn't matter, either way we're still broke.

Nothing like the 'ole conspiracy theories...

 

[KenH]

Who's to say without the US presence over there that the Shiite control will remain?

The majority of the population is Shiite in both countries. I think that eventually the Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr will be the leader of Iraq.

 

[poncho]

Nothing like the 'ole conspiracy theories...

Conspiracy or not. We're still broke. I'd call that a major fact worth considering. That's all.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I actually read where someone tried the "we're really not in debt, these countries are just investing in America's economy".


:laugh:

Don't worry, if endless war doesn't bankrupt us, free health care sure will. All while we argue if it's the dems or repubs that will throw us to the gators first.

 

[poncho]

Yep, that pretty much sums it up Bro.

 

[dragonfly]

Actually, this General was approved by both parties.

I don't doubt it, in fact I edited my post because I think the General Patraeus is in a no win situation. I also don't doubt that the general is doing the best he can considering who his boss is.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Probably doesn't help him the same people that approved him now call him a liar.

I don't hate him. He's just a soldier, after all. He was put in a situation by both parties, and now both parties are using him to either get elected, or stay elected.

 

[poncho]

And he needs his paycheck just like everyone else. More than one general has been fired not towing the political line or for sticking to their duty and principles.

Now a days though we only hear about their principles after they've been fired or retired.

Hmmm.

 

[JustChristian]

Because Gen Petraeus is a professional who has turned the whole situation around over there. Of course if you wear blinders you won't see.

This is a quote from the general:

Today's NY Times.

The general’s tone was notably sober, and despite an intensified American military campaign over the past 15 months, he acknowledged: “We haven’t turned any corners. We haven’t seen any lights at the end of the tunnel.”

Even General Petraeus signaled that the war was far from a foreseeable end. When pressed by Senator Evan Bayh, Democrat of Indiana, about the basis for his positive assumptions, he cautioned: “The Champagne bottle has been pushed to the back of the refrigerator. And the progress, while real, is fragile and is reversible.”

Who's wearing the blinders?

 

[poncho]

This is a quote from the general:

Today's NY Times.

The general’s tone was notably sober, and despite an intensified American military campaign over the past 15 months, he acknowledged: “We haven’t turned any corners. We haven’t seen any lights at the end of the tunnel.”

Even General Petraeus signaled that the war was far from a foreseeable end. When pressed by Senator Evan Bayh, Democrat of Indiana, about the basis for his positive assumptions, he cautioned: “The Champagne bottle has been pushed to the back of the refrigerator. And the progress, while real, is fragile and is reversible.”

Who's wearing the blinders?

That isn't blinders he's wearing it's a flag covering his eyes.

 

[carpro]

Once again, the class and calm expert testimony of General Petraeus exposes many Senators for the pompous uninformed windbags they are.

 

[NiteShift]

This is a quote from the general:

Today's NY Times.

The general’s tone was notably sober, and despite an intensified American military campaign over the past 15 months, he acknowledged: “We haven’t turned any corners. We haven’t seen any lights at the end of the tunnel.”

Even General Petraeus signaled that the war was far from a foreseeable end. When pressed by Senator Evan Bayh, Democrat of Indiana, about the basis for his positive assumptions, he cautioned: “The Champagne bottle has been pushed to the back of the refrigerator. And the progress, while real, is fragile and is reversible.”

Who's wearing the blinders?

Staffan de Mistura, United Nations Special Representative for Iraq:

"We cannot ignore the recent improvements both in the security and political situation in Iraq. The notable decline in hostile activities can be credited to the cumulative effect of increased deployment of MNF-I troops, the ceasefire declared by Muqtada al–Sadr, and we hope it will be reconfirmed, we all hope for that, the role of the Awakening Councils and increased cooperation with neighbours on security-related issues."

That isn't blinders he's wearing it's a flag covering his eyes.

Petraeus presented quite a few statistics showing undeniable progress. Which of them do you dispute?

 

[NiteShift]

The majority of the population is Shiite in both countries. I think that eventually the Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr will be the leader of Iraq.

Sadr is losing influence, not gaining.

The Shiite-majority government has shown that it now has much more powerful security forces, and the political will to fight the Shiite militias. When the Iraqi opposition held an emergency session of parliament to oppose the Basra operations, only 54 of the 275 members of parliament showed up.

The amnesty for militia members is drawing hundreds of takers.

Even Time Magazine said, "There has been a large-scale retreat of the Mahdi Army in the oil-rich Iraqi port city because of low morale and because ammunition is low".


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"Over 1,000 Basrah men flocked to join the Iraqi Army just one day after Sadr ordered his Mahdi Army to leave the streets." LINK

 

[ajg1959]

Shouldn't we be realistic about a few other major facts as well?

Facts like we're broke and at the mercy of our overly extended credit with other nations like the tiny island nation of Japan and can't afford to keep doing this?

I dont understand why the war is not paid for with Iraqi oil revenues?

They have it, we need it, and they owe us.

AJ

 

[carpro]

Liberals already say "it's all about oil".

Can you imagine the uproar if we actually did seize Iraqi oil to fund the war?

OOOOeeee!!!!

The wailing would be heard worldwide without aid of the media.

 

[dragonfly]

Liberals already say "it's all about oil".

Can you imagine the uproar if we actually did seize Iraqi oil to fund the war?

OOOOeeee!!!!

The wailing would be heard worldwide without aid of the media.

We'll see what happens when President Obama is sworn in.

 

[poncho]

Liberals already say "it's all about oil".

Can you imagine the uproar if we actually did seize Iraqi oil to fund the war?

OOOOeeee!!!!

The wailing would be heard worldwide without aid of the media.

Better to let the corporate multnational free traders control it and give the Iraqi's a pittance of what's left over after the looting. Wait. We already did that.

Actually we did the Iraq people a great service. We liberated them from one major tyrant and loosed ten thousand minor tyrants on them. That's why we're the "good guys". :thumbsup:

 

[JustChristian]

Once again, the class and calm expert testimony of General Petraeus exposes many Senators for the pompous uninformed windbags they are.

That's correct. At least those who mindlessly claim that we're "winning" the war.