George Floyd incident with Derek Chauvin, not guilty IMO

And sometimes it is a justified complaint.

Mr. Floyd begged for his life for 7 minutes, and then lay unconscious and with no discernible pulse for another 2:45 seconds all while the officer knelt on his neck.

That cannot be dismissed as a career criminal crying about the way he is treated.

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Of course. He had an audience. But the treatment wasn't hurting him. It was his drug use.

 

His drug use won’t matter in this trial.

The only thing that will matter is the officer kneeling on his neck for 2:45 seconds knowing he had no discernible pulse.

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Like I said. Feelings is what will matter.

 

The facts will matter. That the facts generate strong feelings on both sides doesn’t change what really matters in this case.

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If he was dying of a fentanyl OD, some Narcan from a human being not intent on killing him would have kept him alive.

 

I have heard some first responders have that injection for the OD, though I don’t know if police have the training to administer it.

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from 2018

Minneapolis police to begin carrying Narcan for opioid overdoses

 

Thanks for the link, very good info. I thought it was an injection, but the report says it’s a simple nasal spray that is otherwise harmless but blocks the drugs effects in the brain.

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That is still speculation.

 

Guilt of what exactly? Again, I am NOT saying the officer was not in the wrong, but what precisely are you saying the officer is guilty of? If you say murder, or even the death of Floyd, I have a problem with that based on the evidence.

 

I know we disagree. At a minimum, you have abuse of authority under color of law that leads to death. The officer is guilty of murder. In almost every state if a person dies while you are committing a criminal act, you can be charged with murder.

I am focused on the 2:45 seconds that he stayed on his neck after being told Mr. Floyd had no discernible pulse.

Even if you argue the officer was justified kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed suspect that was on his face, begging for his life, claiming he was having trouble breathing (I’m not convinced that was appropriate), but there is absolutely no reason to be staying on his neck knowing he had no discernible pulse.

Answer the question why? Why did he stay on his neck? A reasonable person could conclude he intended for him to die.

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If I remember correctly, you are mischaracterizing the autopsy report.

I think the coroner’s report stated the “likely” cause of death was overdose which is not definitive in any legal sense. It leaves room for an argument for another cause of death or a contributing cause of death.

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Perhaps only people with no experience protecting the public from combative, violent, lying career criminals would so conclude.

I haven't been following this case at all, but hear about it a lot. So those who've seen the video...who was checking for the pulse, and was Chauvin urged by any of the other racially diverse officers on the scene to lift his knee earlier?

 

When Mr. Floyd became unconscious and unresponsive another police officer checked for a pulse and told the officer on his neck he couldn’t find one. He also suggested the officer get off.

Unfortunately, that officer only had a few weeks on the job and left the decision to the senior officer, the one who had his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck.

There is no reason for an officer to “restrain” someone that is on his face, handcuffed, unconscious and without a discernible pulse.

No agency would train an officer to continue a “restraint” in those circumstances. No LEO or former LEO can give any reasonable explanation why to continue the “restraint” in such circumstances.

This isn’t about having experience dealing with career criminals. A reasonable person will want to know why he stayed on his neck for 2:45 knowing he had no discernible pulse.

Maybe you will give the reasonable answer to that question,

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K. You know that checking for a pulse is no longer part of the Red Cross CPR training? And do you know why?

What he was really told was that the inexperienced officer couldn't find a pulse. The real question is, when did Floyd stop breathing?

You have your opinion as a spectator not having to protect the public from people like Floyd. I think the fact that the other officers who were on the scene weren't too eager to prematurely let the actor up speaks better things than you do.

 

Mr. Floyd was in custody. The officers had a legal obligation for his care.

He was handcuffed. He was on his stomach on the ground. He was unconscious and he was unresponsive and the inexperienced officer couldn’t find a pulse.

Let the defense make their case they thought Mr. Floyd was faking being unconscious, unresponsive and with no discernible pulse.

Then tell them the officer on the neck wanted to make sure Mr. Floyd had stopped breathing as well before getting off the neck, just to be sure he wasn’t faking, to protect the public.

I doubt a jury will find that to be a reasonable explanation but it may be the best the defense can do.

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Yeah, yeah. Just keep repeating your myopic points. I get it.

Those who were on the scene, and who know what it's like to handle lying, combative and dangerous criminals are better judges than you.

And there you have it.