SavedByGrace
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Interesting how the police guy is being defended even though he will be found guilty
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George Floyd - the rest of the story
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Interesting how the police guy is being defended even though he will be found guilty
Scott Downey
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if so, it will be appealed.
Being convicted and imprisoned, will be trouble, from other inmates.
They way things are in policing, who wants to be one today.
SavedByGrace
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Law enforcement are not above the law nor can they disregard it. If they are found guilty of any crime they must be punished as any other criminal. This officer clearly broke the law and must be punished.
Scott Downey
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Chauvin did not put his knee on Floyd's neck
Scott Downey
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Court Evidence Shows Derek Chauvin Restrained George Floyd by Placing a Knee on His Back, Not His Neck - Big League Politics
knee was on Floyd's back, not his neck.
Somehow this got twisted and everyone thought knee was on neck.
Defense showed this evidence in trial.
More like upper back near the neck. Interesting twist.
knee was on Floyd's back, not his neck.
Somehow this got twisted and everyone thought knee was on neck.
Defense showed this evidence in trial.
More like upper back near the neck. Interesting twist.
I agree.
What law did he brake. As I understand it and I could be wrong. He acted according to protocol.
Reading in the Syracuse Post-standard -(today - Sunday) the article reads in part "New police bodycam footage of the arrest of George Floyd was shown to the court last week in the trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin. Police first knocked on the window of Floyd's vehicle with a gun. (bold =my emphasis)
I reviewed the video and it does not look like he had his sidearm drawn. It looks more like his nightstick that he used to tap on the window. After Floyd refused to cooperate - is when the officer drew his sidearm. After, Floyd started to cooperate is when the officer put his sidearm back into the holster.
If someone else would like to take a look at the video, I would like to hear what you think about this.
I reviewed the video and it does not look like he had his sidearm drawn. It looks more like his nightstick that he used to tap on the window. After Floyd refused to cooperate - is when the officer drew his sidearm. After, Floyd started to cooperate is when the officer put his sidearm back into the holster.
If someone else would like to take a look at the video, I would like to hear what you think about this.
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canadyjd
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There is no police training that has an officer using restraining techniques on someone that is unconscious, unresponsive, and with no discernible pulse.
That is what he did for 2:45 seconds after being told Me. Floyd had no discernible pulse.
peace to you
RighteousnessTemperance&
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More Fake News. Looks like a flashlight, which the other detaining officer was also using.
EXCLUSIVE - FULL VIDEO: Leaked police bodycam footage shows George Floyd's arrest for the first time
RighteousnessTemperance&
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For the few reasonable people left, the moral of the story is: Don't do drugs, don't OD, don't pass counterfeit money, don't resist detainment, don't resist arrest.
For the unreasonable on the left, the moral of the story is: White cops intentionally kill innocent blacks—Defund the Police!
For the unreasonable on the left, the moral of the story is: White cops intentionally kill innocent blacks—Defund the Police!
RighteousnessTemperance&
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From Ben "Even If I Say So Myself" Shapiro:
Second-degree murder requires that the prosecution prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin unintentionally killed Floyd while committing a felony — in this case, felony assault. But felony assault requires “intentional” infliction of bodily harm — that Chauvin wanted to hurt Floyd, not just use a suppression tactic already greenlit by the Minneapolis Police Department.
Third-degree murder — depraved-heart murder — doesn’t actually seem to fit the crime here, since it requires proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin acted in a way “eminently dangerous to others.” Others — plural. Usually, depraved-heart murder applies to someone who fires a gun into a crowd, not a person who targets an individual.
Second-degree manslaughter requires that the prosecution prove that Chauvin acted with “gross negligence.” But such gross negligence would have to show that Chauvin should have known that his behavior might cause Floyd’s death — an unlikely expectation, since the Minneapolis Police Department actively taught neck holds of the type Chauvin used, and which Chauvin applied only after Floyd resisted arrest and refused to be confined to the back seat of a police car.
Third-degree murder — depraved-heart murder — doesn’t actually seem to fit the crime here, since it requires proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin acted in a way “eminently dangerous to others.” Others — plural. Usually, depraved-heart murder applies to someone who fires a gun into a crowd, not a person who targets an individual.
Second-degree manslaughter requires that the prosecution prove that Chauvin acted with “gross negligence.” But such gross negligence would have to show that Chauvin should have known that his behavior might cause Floyd’s death — an unlikely expectation, since the Minneapolis Police Department actively taught neck holds of the type Chauvin used, and which Chauvin applied only after Floyd resisted arrest and refused to be confined to the back seat of a police car.
If You Read a Single Article on Chauvin's Case, It Should Be This One by Ben Shapiro
SavedByGrace
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Is this his back??? Complete rubbish, it is very clearly the neck, which some are trying to distort!
canadyjd
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There is no “green light” to restrain someone that is unconscious, unresponsive and with no discernible pulse.The fact the officer stayed on his neck for 2:45 seconds after being told he had no discernible pulse (against his training and police policy) demonstrates his intention to cause great bodily harm.
peace to you
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canadyjd
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The moral of the story for police officers is you don’t get to sentence someone to death for being a petty criminal and drug addict, even if they resist arrest.
peace to you
Scott Downey
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except the police did not have a knee on neck, was on upper back.
canadyjd
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The video proves that to be a lie.
You are saying, “Don’t believe your lying eyes”. Even though the video clearly shows the knee on the neck, let’s pretend it’s on his back so we can say the officer is innocent and followed policy.
Even if the knee was on the back (it was on the neck, but just for debate we will pretend it’s on the back) there is still no reason to restrain someone that is unconcious, unresponsive and with no discernible pulse.
Perhaps you can give a reasonable explanation to restrain someone that is unconscious, unresponsive, and with no discernible pulse.
I’ll wait patiently while you think of something.
peace to you
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Reformed1689
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Who is responsible for the death of George Floyd? George Floyd. If he had not broken the law, if he had not been on drugs, if he had not resisted arrest, none of this would have happened. Place blame where blame is rightfully due.
SavedByGrace
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What a load of rubbish
canadyjd
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I’m not defending the illegal activity of Mr. Floyd. Blame him for that all you want.
When a United States citizen is taken in to custody, the police have a legal responsibility for that person’s care. They can only use reasonable force to arrest and or detain that person.
It is unreasonable, and criminal imo, to “restrain” someone that is unconscious, unresponsive, and with no discernible pulse.
As I’ve said before, if the officer had gotten off his neck when he was told he had no discernible pulse and did CPR for the next 2:45 seconds, there would be no case.
That’s where the “blame” falls on the officer.
peace to you
Are you saying that the drugs took had NOTHING to do with his death?