Gingrich Rips Odrama

[Crabtownboy]

Intellectually honest? Which part of that quotation of yours mentions income taxes? None ... Can we be honest about that at least?

We are not asking you to jump over buildings or launch a moon rocket. We are simply asking you to be honest about the issues.

I gave the entire quote. What taxes did Bush lower other than income taxes? To say taxes does not necessarily mean all taxes. To say that is to take a huge liberal interpretation of what Obama said and of what he said during the campaign.

Barack Obama’s tax plan delivers broad-based tax relief to middle class families and cuts taxes for small
businesses and companies that create jobs in America, while restoring fairness to our tax code and returning to
fiscal responsibility. Coupled with Obama’s commitment to invest in key areas like health, clean energy,
innovation and education, his tax plan will help restore bottom-up economic growth that helps create good jobs
in America and empowers all families achieve the American dream. The Obama plan will:

• Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for
working couples.

• Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families
sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.

• Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create
jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward
investments in innovation.

• Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of
senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their
own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf

 

[ajg1959]

I dont quite make 33,000/yr which is how much I have to make before I owe federal income tax (a family of 3). I am a welder and do make a decent wage, and most of my friends and family are in the same range. In other words, right now we are not paying any taxes, but with the almost 700 billion energy tax increase, we are all going to be taxed.

Obama is not just spreading the wealth, he is spreading the tax burden also.

At least this explains how he intends to increase the budget while "keeping his campaign promise" to lower income taxes for 95% of americans. He is shifting the tax revenues from one place to another, while in reality he is raising taxes, not lowering them.

AJ

 

[just-want-peace]

Intellectually honest? Which part of that quotation of yours mentions income taxes? None ... Can we be honest about that at least?

We are not asking you to jump over buildings or launch a moon rocket. We are simply asking you to be honest about the issues.

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PL, you are asking that leopards change their spots!

This board, and particularly any questioning of this POTUS, has proved that libs are incapable of ever admitting that their hero is any less than super-hero; perfectly capable of the very feats you mentioned in the quote.

This is why we will never, NEVER get this country back on track by any hint of compromise with the left. They will never argue the real problems - just deflect so as to draw the rest of us off topic so their facade will remain intact to the dumbed/numbed down masses.

And since we now have a society that is so heavily latched onto the government teat, and the "teat" enablers are in power, nothing, repeat, NOTHING, (excepting the mercy of God) will be able to ever get us back on track before we become the liberal's HOLY GRAIL -- Socialist America, just like most of Europe.

Notice there are a few on here who admit to that goal!!!

 

[KenH]

right now we are not paying any taxes

You don't pay Social Security and Medicare taxes?

 

[ajg1959]

You don't pay Social Security and Medicare taxes?

I wasnt even thinking about those...yes but i would have to make 33,000 to owe income tax

AJ

 

[ajg1959]

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PL, you are asking that leopards change their spots!

This board, and particularly any questioning of this POTUS, has proved that libs are incapable of ever admitting that their hero is any less than super-hero; perfectly capable of the very feats you mentioned in the quote.

This is why we will never, NEVER get this country back on track by any hint of compromise with the left. They will never argue the real problems - just deflect so as to draw the rest of us off topic so their facade will remain intact to the dumbed/numbed down masses.

And since we now have a society that is so heavily latched onto the government teat, and the "teat" enablers are in power, nothing, repeat, NOTHING, (excepting the mercy of God) will be able to ever get us back on track before we become the liberal's HOLY GRAIL -- Socialist America, just like most of Europe.

Notice there are a few on here who admit to that goal!!!

Hey, I am glad that folks have such unrealistic expectations of Obama. In 3 years when they find out that he cant actually walk on water, they are going to very disgruntled and hopefully this will help get a conservative back into the WH.

AJ

 

[KenH]

Hey, I am glad that folks have such unrealistic expectations of Obama.

I think that it is conservatives with the unrealistic expectations, not us progressives. We will be grateful for whatever we can get as it will be a big improvement over what we got from George W. Bush.

 

[Pastor Larry]

I gave the entire quote.

And it didn't mention incomes taxes. I am not saying he didn't mean income taxes. I am pointing out that you said that, not Obama.

What taxes did Bush lower other than income taxes?

I don't know. Who cares? Bush is gone. That is so last year. Get over Bush.

To say taxes does not necessarily mean all taxes. To say that is to take a huge liberal interpretation of what Obama said and of what he said during the campaign.

Obama said so many things during the campaign, but he said he would cut taxes on 95% of America (then working Americans, then he said he wouldn't raise them ... etc.). He can't cut taxes on 95% of Americans, or even working Americans, because 95% don't pay taxes. The percentage of tax paying Americans is far less than that.

 

[Pastor Larry]

I think that it is conservatives with the unrealistic expectations, not us progressives.]

You are not progressive. You are regressive. You want to go back to the 30s, and Obama is helping that along. The big spending has already been tried. It doesn't work.

We will be grateful for whatever we can get as it will be a big improvement over what we got from George W. Bush.

George Bush didn't spend $1 trillion in his first month in office. So Obama is not an improvement.

 

[Revmitchell]

I think that it is conservatives with the unrealistic expectations, not us progressives. We will be grateful for whatever we can get as it will be a big improvement over what we got from George W. Bush.

How does all the Republican spending beginning with Reagan compare to the first two months of this administration, dollar wise?

 

[KenH]

George Bush didn't spend $1 trillion in his first month in office.

President Clinton did not leave President Bush with an economic/banking crisis unrivaled since the 1930s.

 

[ajg1959]

President Clinton did not leave President Bush with an economic/banking crisis unrivaled since the 1930s.

I dont really think it would have mattered who the president was, it still would have happened.

Tell me, what did Clinton do to make the economy good in the 90's and just what did Bush do to ruin it?

And if Bush created this, then why is Europe and Asia in worse economic shape than we are? What did Bush do to them?

I dont think the POTUS has as much power over the world economy as you think.

AJ

 

[KenH]

And if Bush created this, then why is Europe and Asia in worse economic shape than we are?

As the old saying goes, "When the United States sneezes, the world catches a cold".

 

[JustChristian]

It is not unusual that you cannot address the op. No surprises here.

OK. What Gingrich says about the President is of little consequence unless you support the positions of a man who deserted his wife who was dying of cancer to see another woman.

 

[Pastor Larry]

President Clinton did not leave President Bush with an economic/banking crisis unrivaled since the 1930s.

No. Clinton did leave Bush with a recession. But the economic and banking crisis is not being addressed by this $1 trillion dollars. So if Obama wants to address that, he would probably get more support. But you know as well as I do that Obama is not spending most of this money to address the banking and economic crisis.

And it isn't the worst since the 30s. That has been thoroughly and unquestionably debunked. So let's just stop with that nonsense.

You can support Obama and still tell the truth. It will be hard, and you will have to avoid most issues, but you can do it .

 

[Pastor Larry]

OK. What Gingrich says about the President is of little consequence unless you support the positions of a man who deserted his wife who was dying of cancer to see another woman.

If what Gingrich says is true, it is of tremendous consequence. Stop the personal attacks and deal with substance. You are way too much like Rush Limbaugh.

 

[KenH]

what did Bush do to ruin it?

The Bush administration failed to rein in the excesses that were taking place in Wall Street banks.

 

[ajg1959]

The Bush administration failed to rein in the excesses that were taking place in Wall Street banks.

Are our banks ran by the government? Yikes! no wonder they failed!!!!

I didnt know it was Bush's job to rein them in. What should he have done specifically?

It funny, you libs complain that Bush is into the oil business too much, but that he should have gotten into the banking business more??????

AJ

 

[dragonfly]

And yet you support one who is working hard to slaughters unborn children. But neither is on topic. It seems you struggle to address the op so you run with an off topic attack.

I am sorry you think it is off topic. I was comparing Obama's character with Gingrich's lack thererof.

Although Gingrich is a good speaker, and a smart person, I disagree with his assessment of Obama and Obama's plan. Since the 'Republican Party seem to be the Party of complain and do nothing, I find it difficult to take what they say seriously.

 

[JustChristian]

I provided you with the quote from his State of the Union speech.

I responded according to my opinon - not the opinion of someone else.

You choose to defend Obama by saying that he meant only "income taxes".

To me "you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime" is a pretty definative statement that should not require parsing what type of tax .

So if your "income taxes" don't go up but you end up paying hundreds or thousands more in other taxes, then you won't mind and you will continue to defend Obama because he "meant only income taxes" - yes?

Obama hasn't delivered a State of the Union speech yet.