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GI's with no Chinesee Viurs shot - being kicked out

Van

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It seems appropriate for Military leaders to address insubordination. From their viewpoint, the order to get vaccinated (and boosted) is lawful, unless the service member has a medical or religious exemption. Those in the Military are routinely ordered to engage in much higher risk efforts, than being vaccinated.

And how trustworthy are these 2% or so rebellious recruits?
 

Salty

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Don't know. You still think Joe deserves respect?

Its not a matter of someone deserving respect - as a Christian, we should give respect -
as giving respect speaks more of the giver than it does of the recipient.

Reynolds - if you had a personnel visit with Mr. Biden - would you attempt to share the plan of salvation with him?
 

Reynolds

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Its not a matter of someone deserving respect - as a Christian, we should give respect -
as giving respect speaks more of the giver than it does of the recipient.

Reynolds - if you had a personnel visit with Mr. Biden - would you attempt to share the plan of salvation with him?
He has heard the plan of salvation.
As to your question. I will share the plan of salvation to anyone.
 

Reynolds

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The office does if not the occupier of it.
The occupier can be disrespected without disrespecting the office.
Saying Joe Biden is a nonsense blabbering, senile, reprobate is disrespecting Joe Biden. It is not disrespecting the Office of President.
I would argue it's not even disrespecting Joe. It is just stating truth.
 

Two Wings

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the mandate from the CINC/SECDEF was implemented while the available injections were still under the EUA.

Arguably they still are ... that ... but the Moderna and J/J are under the EUA.

There has NEVER been an injection required for being a member of the Armed Forces which hasn't had full FDA approval.

It is CLEAR to me, this is another step in the consolidation of power overall. The VAST majority of our Armed Forces do not need this injection for this disease. The tactic of focusing upon the profoundly fractional number at the detriment of the macro is yet again manifest.

But we've come to expect it from leftist administrations. They have implemented policy which has cost lives and made our Forces weaker. This is but another one.

The fact there is opportunity to separate with an honorable discharge for "disobeying an order" absolutely trumpets the lack of lawfulness in the order.

Some folks are gonna be able to maximize the expensive training they received without completing their service commitment. Brilliant.
 

Reynolds

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the mandate from the CINC/SECDEF was implemented while the available injections were still under the EUA.

Arguably they still are ... that ... but the Moderna and J/J are under the EUA.

There has NEVER been an injection required for being a member of the Armed Forces which hasn't had full FDA approval.

It is CLEAR to me, this is another step in the consolidation of power overall. The VAST majority of our Armed Forces do not need this injection for this disease. The tactic of focusing upon the profoundly fractional number at the detriment of the macro is yet again manifest.

But we've come to expect it from leftist administrations. They have implemented policy which has cost lives and made our Forces weaker. This is but another one.

The fact there is opportunity to separate with an honorable discharge for "disobeying an order" absolutely trumpets the lack of lawfulness in the order.

Some folks are gonna be able to maximize the expensive training they received without completing their service commitment. Brilliant.
Yep. Bet some of the service Academy grads are thrilled. Got one of the most expensive educations in the nation free and don't have to serve out the contract. Yes, the Communists running our country are truly brilliant.
 

Two Wings

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Yep. Bet some of the service Academy grads are thrilled. Got one of the most expensive educations in the nation free and don't have to serve out the contract. Yes, the Communists running our country are truly brilliant.
I was thinking of the year of pilot training which costs more than graduating from the service academies ... has a 10 year commitment.

Gonna be an opportunity to bail out on that.

Government accounting at its best.
 

Reynolds

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I was thinking of the year of pilot training which costs more than graduating from the service academies ... has a 10 year commitment.

Gonna be an opportunity to bail out on that.

Government accounting at its best.
Have not thought about that.
 

Two Wings

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approx $416K to put a cadet through the USAFA.

almost $11 million to have a mission ready F22 pilot.

If that F22 pilot is a "zoomie" ... add the 416K.
 

Van

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Imagine if a recruit could reject an immunization thought to be needed to minimize the risk of his or her unit being disabled due to a contagion?
 

Two Wings

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Imagine if a recruit could reject an immunization thought to be needed to minimize the risk of his or her unit being disabled due to a contagion?

if it was a legitimate threat ... sure.

this has proven to be statistically insignificant for the young and healthy ... even when infected ... which directly defines our military personnel who have less than 30 years' service.

how do you know if you've been successful when the actual threat of the virus/disease to this specific demographic is statistically NONE.

getting jabbed brings back their elderly/sick friends/family they lost?
 

Van

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if it was a legitimate threat ... sure.

this has proven to be statistically insignificant for the young and healthy ... even when infected ... which directly defines our military personnel who have less than 30 years' service.

how do you know if you've been successful when the actual threat of the virus/disease to this specific demographic is statistically NONE.

getting jabbed brings back their elderly/sick friends/family they lost?

Right, the recruit gets to decide which orders to follow! Got it...
 

Two Wings

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Right, the recruit gets to decide which orders to follow! Got it...
As i said. If it was a lawful order, then honorable discharges would be available

but just keep thinking the govt has your best interests at heart in anything let alone everything it does.
 

Van

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As i said. If it was a lawful order, then honorable discharges would be available

but just keep thinking the govt has your best interests at heart in anything let alone everything it does.
I think the opposite, the military has its interests at heart, not the individual right to life of the recruits. And to fulfill its interests, it orders our defenders into "harm's way." Someone unwilling to take a shot in the arm because they think it is unnecessary dishonors the uniform they wear. Full Stop
 

Two Wings

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I think the opposite, the military has its interests at heart, not the individual right to life of the recruits. And to fulfill its interests, it orders our defenders into "harm's way." Someone unwilling to take a shot in the arm because they think it is unnecessary dishonors the uniform they wear. Full Stop

eua

not FDA

AUTHORIZED. Not APPROVED

Full stop huh?

better check gear down & green first
 

Van

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eua
not FDA
AUTHORIZED. Not APPROVED
Full stop huh?
better check gear down & green first

I think the opposite, the military has its interests at heart, not the individual right to life of the recruits. And to fulfill its interests, it orders our defenders into "harm's way." Someone unwilling to take a shot in the arm because they think it is unnecessary dishonors the uniform they wear. Full Stop
 
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