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[Wingman68]

Here’s the real reason Comirnaty is not available

Guest Post by Steve Kirsch

It’s all about liability. It will magically become available when the vaccine for children is fully approved, not before.
The reason Comirnaty isn’t available is because those shots would expose the company to liability since the fully-licensed product doesn’t have the liability waiver of the EUA product.

But once the Pfizer vaccine is fully approved in kids, then Pfizer gets liability waiver on all age groups due to a “feature” in federal law for child vaccines (NCVIA). At that time, they are done. They can market the COVID vaccine products under full approval for all age groups and face no liability when it kills or disables you.

This is why they are focused on the kids. This is why there is a reformulation at a 1/3 dose and they changed the buffer and the storage conditions (low temperatures not required). All of these will weaken the protection, but result in a safer vaccine (since it is ineffective)

But for the clinical trials on the 5-11 year olds, they did not use the formulation they approved in the meeting. This is known as bait and switch. So they used a more effective vaccine to show efficacy (in the trials they completed), then they get the FDA to approve the drug but with a change in formulation, then the product product with the new buffer will go out to the public with the lower efficacy, but better safety. This is because they don’t want to jeopardize any adverse events happening until they are fully approved. So they basically use formula 1 for safety, get approval for formula 2 (safer, less effective), then roll out formula 2 under EUA.

They also arrange with the FDA and CDC to make sure no early treatment drugs get approved or recommended. This is why there is no movement on fluvoxamine, ivermectin, etc. since that would blow the EUA. Fluvoxamine is the best drug ever for COVID with a mortality reduction of 12X when taken early. It’s the best drug to date for COVID, but the CDC and NIH are deliberately burying it until the vaccines are fully approved. Then they’ll say, “ok, we have all the data.”

So at the end, Pfizer gets a fully approved vaccine with full liability protection. At that time, then the NIH can recognize other treatments.

This is how it is wired to go. Let’s be honest about it.

 

[AustinC]

That goes to you, too.

How so?

 

[AustinC]

Also, here's the difference. The President is not my commander. He is not my ruler. We don't call him the Governor of the United States. Even if the occupier is in the position lawfully, he is not my President. The President is the president of a corporation. He presides over congress and the politics of the corporation of states. He does not preside over any individual state, county, town or citizen. He is an executive charged with federal law enforcement, and the defense of the Constitution.

My highest law enforcement officer is the County Sheriff.

A just and moral law is due my honor and respect.

Just so you know and can cease your military style of virtue here on a Christian board.

...the county sheriff...

 

[JonC]

You know this is a lie, & yet you keep spewing it. There is no available approved Phizer vax. If there were, then all the others would have to be removed from EUA & we would then have accountability, by Pfizer. None of the shots being given are approved. End of story.

Dude, you are WAY behind.

The vaccine manufactured by Pfizer (a US company) and BioNTech (a German company) with the established name "Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine" and the trade name "Comirnaty" was approved by the FDA in August.

And we've been getting the newly branded vials for awhile.

The approval is attached. You need to stay better informed.

 

[JonC]

Here’s the real reason Comirnaty is not available

Guest Post by Steve Kirsch

It’s all about liability. It will magically become available when the vaccine for children is fully approved, not before.
The reason Comirnaty isn’t available is because those shots would expose the company to liability since the fully-licensed product doesn’t have the liability waiver of the EUA product.

But once the Pfizer vaccine is fully approved in kids, then Pfizer gets liability waiver on all age groups due to a “feature” in federal law for child vaccines (NCVIA). At that time, they are done. They can market the COVID vaccine products under full approval for all age groups and face no liability when it kills or disables you.

This is why they are focused on the kids. This is why there is a reformulation at a 1/3 dose and they changed the buffer and the storage conditions (low temperatures not required). All of these will weaken the protection, but result in a safer vaccine (since it is ineffective)

But for the clinical trials on the 5-11 year olds, they did not use the formulation they approved in the meeting. This is known as bait and switch. So they used a more effective vaccine to show efficacy (in the trials they completed), then they get the FDA to approve the drug but with a change in formulation, then the product product with the new buffer will go out to the public with the lower efficacy, but better safety. This is because they don’t want to jeopardize any adverse events happening until they are fully approved. So they basically use formula 1 for safety, get approval for formula 2 (safer, less effective), then roll out formula 2 under EUA.

They also arrange with the FDA and CDC to make sure no early treatment drugs get approved or recommended. This is why there is no movement on fluvoxamine, ivermectin, etc. since that would blow the EUA. Fluvoxamine is the best drug ever for COVID with a mortality reduction of 12X when taken early. It’s the best drug to date for COVID, but the CDC and NIH are deliberately burying it until the vaccines are fully approved. Then they’ll say, “ok, we have all the data.”

So at the end, Pfizer gets a fully approved vaccine with full liability protection. At that time, then the NIH can recognize other treatments.

This is how it is wired to go. Let’s be honest about it.

You can get the Comirarty vaccine at any CVS, Walmart pharmacy, or Walgreens. They have been avaliable with that label since late Octoberish in the North Augusta area.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Dude, you are WAY behind.

The vaccine manufactured by Pfizer (a US company) and BioNTech (a German company) with the established name "Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine" and the trade name "Comirnaty" was approved by the FDA in August.

And we've been getting the newly branded vials for awhile.

The approval is attached. You need to stay better informed.

BTW, what is with the several “(b) (4)” insertions and missing text in that BLA letter you linked?

 

[Wingman68]

You can get the Comirarty vaccine at any CVS, Walmart pharmacy, or Walgreens. They have been avaliable with that label since late Octoberish in the North Augusta area.

Wow, better let them know Jon says they have been giving it since Oct! Jon is never wrong.

Georgia Department of Health Reveals Policy on Shipping in and Distributing FDA-Approved COVID-19 Vaccine Comirnaty
December 18, 2021 Chris Butler

A Georgia Department of Public Health (DPH) official said Friday that her agency currently does not offer the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) fully approved COVID-19 vaccine, which the manufacturer, Pfizer, calls Comirnaty.

“Comirnaty has only recently become available, and DPH and its enrolled vaccine providers currently are using on-hand inventory of Pfizer COVID vaccine,” said DPH spokeswoman Nancy Nydam via email.

Nydam told The Georgia Star News that the federal government allots doses of the Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, and Pfizer vaccines for COVID-19.

“Providers place orders for vaccine based on their use and current inventory,” Nydam said.
“The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older,” according to the FDA’s website.

“Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is authorized for emergency use and is available under the EUA as a two-dose primary series for individuals 5 years of age and older, as a third primary series dose for individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise, and as a single booster dose for individuals 16 years of age and older at least six months after completing a primary series of the vaccine.”

Whether Pfizer distributes Comirnaty is unknown, but the company told The Ohio Star this week that it is still shipping the EUA version of the vaccine.

“The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (EUA labeled product) is currently being shipped; however, please be advised that the COMIRNATY and the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably,” company officials said via email.

“They are made using the same processes, and there are no differences between them in safety or effectiveness.”

Pfizer did not respond when asked multiple times if Comirnaty is in use anywhere.

Though Pfizer says the vaccines are interchangeable, the FDA concedes that the products are “legally distinct.”

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

You can get the Comirarty vaccine at any CVS, Walmart pharmacy, or Walgreens. They have been avaliable with that label since late October in the Augusta area.

Maybe someone should tell the Pfizer reps. But it sounds like a Chinese knockoff.

 

[JonC]

Maybe someone should tell the Pfizer reps. But it sounds like a Chinese knockoff.

Maybe they should. Eisenhower AMC offers Comirnaty as well.

 

[JonC]

Wow, better let them know Jon says they have been giving it since Oct! Jon is never wrong.

Georgia Department of Health Reveals Policy on Shipping in and Distributing FDA-Approved COVID-19 Vaccine Comirnaty
December 18, 2021 Chris Butler

A Georgia Department of Public Health (DPH) official said Friday that her agency currently does not offer the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) fully approved COVID-19 vaccine, which the manufacturer, Pfizer, calls Comirnaty.

“Comirnaty has only recently become available, and DPH and its enrolled vaccine providers currently are using on-hand inventory of Pfizer COVID vaccine,” said DPH spokeswoman Nancy Nydam via email.

Nydam told The Georgia Star News that the federal government allots doses of the Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, and Pfizer vaccines for COVID-19.

“Providers place orders for vaccine based on their use and current inventory,” Nydam said.
“The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older,” according to the FDA’s website.

“Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is authorized for emergency use and is available under the EUA as a two-dose primary series for individuals 5 years of age and older, as a third primary series dose for individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise, and as a single booster dose for individuals 16 years of age and older at least six months after completing a primary series of the vaccine.”

Whether Pfizer distributes Comirnaty is unknown, but the company told The Ohio Star this week that it is still shipping the EUA version of the vaccine.

“The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (EUA labeled product) is currently being shipped; however, please be advised that the COMIRNATY and the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably,” company officials said via email.

“They are made using the same processes, and there are no differences between them in safety or effectiveness.”

Pfizer did not respond when asked multiple times if Comirnaty is in use anywhere.

Though Pfizer says the vaccines are interchangeable, the FDA concedes that the products are “legally distinct.”

Odd. I know Wallgreens and CVS here (North Augusta) has Comirnaty. As does Charleston AFB and Eisenhower AMC.

Doesn't matter since the FDA approved the vaccine with the effective name Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and the trade name Comirnaty based on the Pfizer-BioNTech data. Even an idiot should know it is same.

 

[Wingman68]

Odd. I know Wallgreens and CVS here (North Augusta) has Comirnaty. As does Charleston AFB and Eisenhower AMC.

Doesn't matter since the FDA approved the vaccine with the effective name Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and the trade name Comirnaty based on the Pfizer-BioNTech data. Even an idiot should know it is same.

I’m embarrassed for you. You’re welcome.

 

[JonC]

I’m embarrassed for you. You’re welcome.

Why? You made a fool of yourself several times and I was never embarrassed for you. I questioned your posts that covid didn't exist, but never experienced an emotional response for your ignorance.

Just wondering....you are aware Pfizer used the name Comirnaty in July (prior to FDA approval) in Europe (as evidenced by photos of Comirnaty being given in France on July 23)....right?

 

[Two Wings]

If you just want a label then you may need to wait.

that's been my plan from the start. But someone keeps thinking they know better for me and is creating a hostile environment, threatening me with my job, if I don't hurry up and get jabbed.

uncontrolled fire in the cabin/cockpit is the only thing which is gonna make me hasty.

Haste makes waste.

 

[JonC]

that's been my plan from the start. But someone keeps thinking they know better for me and is creating a hostile environment, threatening me with my job, if I don't hurry up and get jabbed.

uncontrolled fire in the cabin/cockpit is the only thing which is gonna make me hasty.

Haste makes waste.

What do you do (job)?

 

[Two Wings]

What do you do (job)?

I thought I alluded to it pretty well ... but I am a pilot for a major airline. The name is irrelevant.

the FAA has to certify EVERYTHING ... I mean EVERYTHING. Deregulation is a big/bad joke. The only thing deregulated in '78 was ticket price. Anyhow ... this high level regulation includes the medical certificate I must hold to "exercise" the FAA-issued license I have obtained ... and having had a couple big surgeries in the last few years, the FAA gets involved. I know colleagues who've had their medical revoked until certain tests are evaluated (not completed, evaluated) ... which can take over a year!

The list of meds I can take which isn't required to be reported or while I'm "exercising my license" numbers like 5. Everything else has to be reported &/or grounds me. An advil cold/sinus is a 12 hour grounding.

With that standard established ...

The FAA took almost a whole 8 hours to provide their approval of all the cv vaxes after the the FDA's EUA issuance on/about 14 Dec 20. (actually, the first shots were 14 Dec ... so a few days before that, but it was the SAME DAY)

Despite being ineligible for a cv vax (airline pilots are retired by law at 65 y/o), the FAA Aeromedical NEVER did any aerospace physiology testing during this period airline pilots were ineligible for the cv vaxes. I don't recall when < 65 y/os were deemed eligible (you can prob add this information) ... but I'm pretty sure it was 1 March before our bunch started taking the shots and getting-in on the hyper incentive (paid time off, cash, etc) to take a shot. I don't recall, I never intended to take a cv jab nor "cash-in" on the incentive.

Since POTUS' Sept Declaration, we've moved past incentive .... and now into coercion.

Suppose to terminate my 3 decade-long employment because I have determined I don't need the shot. I am the approval authority for my "fitness to fly" medically, mentally, etc. By law. Yet ... this is being taken away for this jab on the basis of what?

It certainly isn't science. Science would have had trials done with the peculiarities of operating in a pressurized tube 7 miles above the planet moving at 9 miles/minute, being exposed to higher levels of radiation than a nuclear plant worker, and having no degradation in the airman's performance. This is the standard for other meds and is why the list of acceptable meds numbers so few.

We are a relatively small enumeration in the order of POTUS <100K total ... but as this "notice" posted above shows, the liability of losing flights/people to failure in the pilot's health ... well. And for a procedure which is not going to prevent infection and it's not going to prevent transmission. the only alleged benefit is lessor symptoms and that's only to the individual ... for the "greater good" the cv vaxes have shown they are statistically irrelevant.

 

[JonC]

I thought I alluded to it pretty well ... but I am a pilot for a major airline. The name is irrelevant.

the FAA has to certify EVERYTHING ... I mean EVERYTHING. Deregulation is a big/bad joke. The only thing deregulated in '78 was ticket price. Anyhow ... this high level regulation includes the medical certificate I must hold to "exercise" the FAA-issued license I have obtained ... and having had a couple big surgeries in the last few years, the FAA gets involved. I know colleagues who've had their medical revoked until certain tests are evaluated (not completed, evaluated) ... which can take over a year!

The list of meds I can take which isn't required to be reported or while I'm "exercising my license" numbers like 5. Everything else has to be reported &/or grounds me. An advil cold/sinus is a 12 hour grounding.

With that standard established ...

The FAA took almost a whole 8 hours to provide their approval of all the cv vaxes after the the FDA's EUA issuance on/about 14 Dec 20. (actually, the first shots were 14 Dec ... so a few days before that, but it was the SAME DAY)

Despite being ineligible for a cv vax (airline pilots are retired by law at 65 y/o), the FAA Aeromedical NEVER did any aerospace physiology testing during this period airline pilots were ineligible for the cv vaxes. I don't recall when < 65 y/os were deemed eligible (you can prob add this information) ... but I'm pretty sure it was 1 March before our bunch started taking the shots and getting-in on the hyper incentive (paid time off, cash, etc) to take a shot. I don't recall, I never intended to take a cv jab nor "cash-in" on the incentive.

Since POTUS' Sept Declaration, we've moved past incentive .... and now into coercion.

Suppose to terminate my 3 decade-long employment because I have determined I don't need the shot. I am the approval authority for my "fitness to fly" medically, mentally, etc. By law. Yet ... this is being taken away for this jab on the basis of what?

It certainly isn't science. Science would have had trials done with the peculiarities of operating in a pressurized tube 7 miles above the planet moving at 9 miles/minute, being exposed to higher levels of radiation than a nuclear plant worker, and having no degradation in the airman's performance. This is the standard for other meds and is why the list of acceptable meds numbers so few.

We are a relatively small enumeration in the order of POTUS <100K total ... but as this "notice" posted above shows, the liability of losing flights/people to failure in the pilot's health ... well. And for a procedure which is not going to prevent infection and it's not going to prevent transmission. the only alleged benefit is lessor symptoms and that's only to the individual ... for the "greater good" the cv vaxes have shown they are statistically irrelevant.

I agree the federal government should not make employment decisions for private airlines. That is a decision for the airline.

My company sent an email explaining that they did not act to require a vaccine because of a federal mandate (and will not stop requiring a vaccine or exemption based on a suspension of a mandate for federal contract companies).

A sister site (Oak Ridge) did suspend their mandate. Another (Los Alamos) chose not to.

This is as it shoud be.

Hopefully you will not have to quit your job because of government overreach.

 

[Two Wings]

That is a decision for the airline.

not really. Not in the case of airmen. The company doesn't declare my fitness to fly. I do. Each one of us does and we are liable for that declaration --- by law.

yet here's a coup on that law ... heralded by many in my profession and in my outfit.

Hopefully you will not have to quit your job because of government overreach.

I will not quit.

I may be fired if the company continues to this date of 4 Jan ... the govt mandate has been revoked/overturned/whatever ... but the company is STILL planning to enact their policy, which violates the law with regard to airmen medical.

I think that's part of the "notice" above ... it's a correct argument ... but that assumes logic and reason are part of the equation. Clearly in anything covid, those two disciplines are missing in action.

 

[JonC]

not really. Not in the case of airmen. The company doesn't declare my fitness to fly. I do. Each one of us does and we are liable for that declaration --- by law.

yet here's a coup on that law ... heralded by many in my profession and in my outfit.



I will not quit.

I may be fired if the company continues to this date of 4 Jan ... the govt mandate has been revoked/overturned/whatever ... but the company is STILL planning to enact their policy, which violates the law with regard to airmen medical.

I think that's part of the "notice" above ... it's a correct argument ... but that assumes logic and reason are part of the equation. Clearly in anything covid, those two disciplines are missing in action.

What about:

"All pilots except those flying gliders and free air balloons must possess valid medical certificates in order to exercise the privileges of their airman certificates. The periodic medical examinations required for medical certification are conducted by designated Aviation Medical Examiners, who are physicians with a special interest in aviation safety and training in aviation medicine."? (ffa.gov)

Anyway, I agree a vaccine should not impact a pilots fitness. I think the issue should be employability, not fitness.

 

[Two Wings]

What about:

"All pilots except those flying gliders and free air balloons must possess valid medical certificates in order to exercise the privileges of their airman certificates. The periodic medical examinations required for medical certification are conducted by designated Aviation Medical Examiners, who are physicians with a special interest in aviation safety and training in aviation medicine."? (ffa.gov)

Anyway, I agree a vaccine should not impact a pilots fitness. I think the issue should be employability, not fitness.

The AME can revoke or refuse to renew my medical upon examination if I fail to meet standard on that day of exam There are 363 more days in the year (Class 1 is a 6 month renewal) ... day to day ... the call is the airman's and ONLY the airman's. Kinda like the inspection of your vehicle. You're responsible for the maintenance of your vehicle. The inspector certifies that "today" it passed muster, if you rear-end someone and it's discovered that the master cylinder was bypassing for almost a year ... that's on you. Pay up.

IDK how employability is separated from fitness in this application. The issue affects fitness first. The FAA has even made a requirement of a 48 hour grounding post cv jab. Wow. That's almost as considerate as a 90 day trial of a brand new drug and declaring it "good to go."

 

[JonC]

The AME can revoke or refuse to renew my medical upon examination if I fail to meet standard on that day of exam There are 363 more days in the year (Class 1 is a 6 month renewal) ... day to day ... the call is the airman's and ONLY the airman's. Kinda like the inspection of your vehicle. You're responsible for the maintenance of your vehicle. The inspector certifies that "today" it passed muster, if you rear-end someone and it's discovered that the master cylinder was bypassing for almost a year ... that's on you. Pay up.

IDK how employability is separated from fitness in this application. The issue affects fitness first. The FAA has even made a requirement of a 48 hour grounding post cv jab. Wow. That's almost as considerate as a 90 day trial of a brand new drug and declaring it "good to go."

I take it it's like the military requiring a flight physical.....or drivers having to maintain a physical?

Anyway, there are two opinions. One is that the vaccine is unjustified and the other that it is justified. You hold a minority opinion, which is fine. I don't.

But it does not matter what view we hold.

Employers rely on experts to make their decisions. You and I are not in a position to decide what medical experts our employers accept or what decisions they make to protect their company.

A smart employer would use the recommendation of the CDC and FDA. A dumb employer would gather information from experts who support his or her view but are not in a position to make policy or official recommendations.