Wow, didn't know that. Thanks for the information.
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Wow, didn't know that. Thanks for the information.
A bad comparison. Alcohol/wine is often mentioned as a gift from God. What the Bible warns about is the sin of drunkenness and alcohol abuse. If you believe you need to abstain then go ahead and do so but your problem is trying to force your POV on others when the Bible does not teach teetotalism. John Piper has chosen to abstain from alcohol out of personal preference but even he admits that you can't find teetotalism in the Bible.
But it may appear in the ESV/NIV more than twice.
Look again. My post was not advocating teetotalism, it was opposing equating gluttony with drunkenness.
And it's none of your business anyway if I choose to stand for teetotalism. I am obeying my father. My paternal grandfather was a drunkard who would come home drunk and beat my father, then died when my father was just a boy. After that his two older brothers would get drunk and beat him. It's a miracle he got saved out of that abuse and became a preacher of the Gospel for 60 years.
One day when I was a boy, my Dad took me down to the Pacific Garden Mission in Chicago where he was to preach. As we came to a drunk lying in the gutter in his own vomit, Dad said to me, "Son, that's what alcohol does." So if I choose to oppose all alcohol, I'm obeying my father. And that's none of your business. And for the record, I have never "tried to force" my POV on others, and rarely even have posted on the alcohol threads here for a long time. So drink all the booze you want, but kindly stay out of my life.
Never mind
I never once said you could not be a teetotalism as if you feel you need to abstain then go right ahead and do so.
No, actually I think I'll put you on ignore, instead, until you grow up and act maturely.
Hey I deleted that comment!
Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
It's all about control.
Why, why does anyone want to be controlled by lust for anything (food, drink, money, etc...) when we have the Holy Spirit 24/7?
The Holy Spirit costs nothing of our money, can only do us good, never bad.
And He loves you.
Why grieve Him?
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
HankD
It's all about control.
Why, why does anyone want to be controlled by lust for anything (food, drink, money, etc...) when we have the Holy Spirit 24/7?
The Holy Spirit costs nothing of our money, can only do us good, never bad.
And He loves you.
Why grieve Him?
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
HankD
I agree. We are not to get drunk or abuse wine.
Or anything. But it's not chiseled in stone.
Under the law: Will you obey me?
Under grace: Do you love me?
HankD
What do you mean?
If one loves the LORD that is his/her motivation for not being enslaved to sin ("for sin is the transgression of the law") not the fear of the thunder and lightening from Mt Horeb (Deuteronomy 18:16).
HankD
What does this have to do with alcoholic beverages?
The motivation to abstain from alcohol is love. Love of God or love of one's neighbor or brother
HankD.
So those that do not do not love God? Look if a brother has a problem with alcohol and would fall back into sin then yes it would be best not to drink in front of him. However wine is a gift from God and we can drink if we desire just as long as we do not sin nor lead a brother into sin.
The book I am reading "What would Jesus drink?" Explains this in more detail.
Have you ever considered your constant need to justify your alcohol use means you are convicted about it?
No I am convicted about the scripture and dislike those that teach false doctrine regarding it.
evan. You are preaching to the choir, I am not a teetotaler except temporarily (if that is proper phraseology) where it was required of me or when I knew in certain long term situations it would make the brethren stumble ("to stumble" is not the same as "to fall") and hinder the image of Christ coming forth in their life.
2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed (Grk. metamorphoo) into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.
At best abstain or at very least keep it to your self at home.
HankD