God created all things, the universe and the earth in 6 days, about 6000 years – the Bible and real

[Revmitchell]

What is actually true, the galaxies which have an actual existence before the actual six days of Genesis 1:3-31. Per Hebrews 1:2, . . . Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; . . ."

Is that all you have?

 

[37818]

Is that all you have?

LOL.
The Andromeda Galaxy is a blue shift Galaxy and it is measured to be some 2.5 million light years away.

 

[tyndale1946]

LOL.
The Andromeda Galaxy is a blue shift Galaxy and it is measured to be some 2.5 million light years away.

Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.

8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Brother Glen

 

[37818]

Again, I believe God formed earth and placed man literally per Genesis 1:3 through Genesis 3:24.

 

[Craigbythesea]

And I can say the exact opposite. There is plenty of scholarship that says otherwise. I have a lot of it on my shelf.

A Plea for Honesty

Do you have 28 commentaries on Genesis, most of which are commentaries on the Hebrew text—and some of them are very extensive multi-volume works—all of which find information in the Scriptures that teach that the earth was created in six days or about 6,000 years ago [The “exact opposite” of what I wrote?] No, you do not, and I know for a fact that you do not because such commentaries do not exit! Moreover, since 1900 not even so much as one professor of Hebrew teaching in an accredited college or university has taught that the Bible teaches young earth creationism. Furthermore, as early as the first part of the third century, scholars of the Bible were commenting and writing that what they were seeing with their eyes and feeling with their hands contradicted a literal interpretation of the first eleven chapters of Genesis. Indeed Augustine of Hippo (354-430) spent much of his adult life attempting to find a literal way of interpreting the first three chapters of Genesis that did not contradict observable reality. Late in his life, he published a large two-volume work with the title De Genesi ad litteram (Literal Meaning of Genesis) in which he wrote that that he had not succeeded in his endeavor. See also the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture: Old Testament, Volume 1 on Genesis 1-11 in which numerous ancient Christians are quoted in context to reveal their non-literal interpretations of the passages of Genesis that were of special interest to them.

And, of course, even the very strict literalists find different dates from the Bible for the creation of the earth. For example, Harold Camping taught that a very careful reading of the genealogies in the Bible reveal that the earth was created in 11,013 BC!

 

[timtofly]

These concepts are a consequence of interpreting the Bible without a basic understanding of hermeneutics.

Do they teach a toddler hermeneutics prior to reading or else their reading skills are forever diminished?

What about just basic reading comprehension?

They probably teach kids philosophy now days even before they can read. Obviously being able to think for one's self is a ruse. Being conformed to the status quo is the goal.

To say Scripture lacks any time frame, or even the numbers necessary for a time frame, because numbers get lost in translation, much less interpretation, seems to be a flat out denial of truth.

Do you understand the hermeneutics of Hebrew "evening and morning"?

 

[timtofly]

What is actually true, the galaxies which have an actual existence before the actual six days of Genesis 1:3-31. Per Hebrews 1:2, . . . Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; . . ."

Are you capable of discerning your alleged "prior stars" from the ones created on the 4th day?

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

By pointing out Hebrews 1:2 during a time when most understood the earth was flat, do you think that people thought there were several flat earth's at the same time?

How about several flat earth's in chronological order? Take 2 Peter 3 for instance:

The scoffers view:

"And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

No change at all. Obviously evolution as a theory had not become that widespread yet, as certainly in these last days that is all that is talked about, ie constant change.

Here is what Peter pointed out:

"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

Peter expected 3 worlds. And even 2 makes world plural. The past world, the present world, the future world.

Even today, life on other worlds is touted as science fiction, not science fact. Fact would be when they actually come from another world, as obviously we don't seem to be going any where fast.

Would you consider Peter to be an evolutionist while the scoffers are the creationist? Peter claimed there was an earth prior to the Flood, but then again so does Genesis. Peter states it was not the same world as he lived in but a new heaven and earth, as the old world perished and was destroyed. Thus plural worlds according to Peter's perspective. Peter said the scoffers thought there was only one world and no change at all. Peter also said another world would happen after the fire of the Second Coming.

Now we seem to think that after the Flood it was just the same world that was drastically changed. That is how we would interpret Peter. But that is not how Peter interprets Peter. And most would call that different ages, as well. But then again most don't want different ages either. They want no change from Genesis 1 until Revelation 20.

Saying things evolve is not wrong. Accepting the theory of evolution or the gnostic teachings of prior creations is wrong. You don't have to accept the theology of dispensational thought either. But to claim there are no "dispensations" or "worlds" would put you in the category of a last day scoffer according to Peter. Perhaps Peter was inspired by the Holy Spirit and was talking about Christian theology instead of those already decieved by Satan who are agnostic when it comes to Scripture? Many still put the wrong spin on who exactly those scoffers are?

 

[37818]

Are you capable of discerning your alleged "prior stars" from the ones created on the 4th day?

Stars are not stated to be "created" on the fourth day. But the lesser light as a light is made to be seen with them.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.

 

[timtofly]

Stars are not stated to be "created" on the fourth day. But the lesser light as a light is made to be seen with them.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.

I am pretty sure YEC claim the stars were created on the 4th day. Not that they were created earlier, and then God finally got around to using them as light.

 

[37818]

I am pretty sure YEC claim the stars were created on the 4th day. Not that they were created earlier, and then God finally got around to using them as light.

Well, God gave light to the Earth on the very first Earth day. Did not specify those two lights until the fourth day. Simple truth. The argument the the Sun, Moon and stars were not created until the fourth day is not what the Scripture says, but what people claim the text must mean.

 

[timtofly]

Well, God gave light to the Earth on the very first Earth day. Did not specify those two lights until the fourth day. Simple truth. The argument the the Sun, Moon and stars were not created until the fourth day is not what the Scripture says, but what people claim the text must mean.

Sounds like God did not need to have any lights in the firmament to have a night and day, light and darkness.

Humans just think they need to be there.

God created the lights on the 4th day to not confuse people living in the 19th and 20th centuries. They would be lost without that physical presence to reality.

 

[37818]

God created the lights on the 4th day . . .

False. The word of God says no such thing. Read it! Genesis 1:14-19. It is as if you cannot make an honest argument.

 

[timtofly]

False. The word of God says no such thing. Read it! Genesis 1:14-19. It is as if you cannot make an honest argument.

So you do not agree with answers in Genesis?

All lights were created on the 4th day.

 

[37818]

So you do not agree with answers in Genesis?

All lights were created on the 4th day.

We disagree.

I literally believe Genesis 1:14-19 to be factually true.

Versus 16, . . . And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: ------- the stars also.

 

[timtofly]

We disagree.

I literally believe Genesis 1:14-19 to be factually true.

Versus 16, . . . And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: ------- the stars also.

So you don't think the stars are lights in the firmament?

Would you also say that God did not create humans either? He just gave them life? Humans and stars were not created, nor made, just something already there, brought to life?

 

[37818]

So you don't think the stars are lights in the firmament?

I am persuaded the points of light we call stars became visible with or after the Moon became visible as the Moon. So stop with your falsehoods.

Would you also say that God did not create humans either? He just gave them life? Humans and stars were not created, nor made, just something already there, brought to life?

Stop with your falsehoods.

I literally believe Genesis 1:14-19 to be factually true.

As a Christian I hold Genesis 1:1-31 to be true. As well as the rest of God's word. Romans 10:18 etc.

Again, I believe God formed earth and placed man literally per Genesis 1:3 through Genesis 3:24.

 

[timtofly]

I am persuaded the points of light we call stars became visible with or after the Moon became visible as the Moon. So stop with your falsehoods.
Stop with your falsehoods.

As a Christian I hold Genesis 1:1-31 to be true. As well as the rest of God's word. Romans 10:18 etc.

You are not making a clear point though. All I have is assumption. You are not exactly saying when anything was actually created.

 

[37818]

You are not making a clear point though. All I have is assumption. You are not exactly saying when anything was actually created.

Genesis 1:1 God says when He created the heaven and earth before verse 3 of day one. Verses 26-31 God says He created man and woman on tht sixth day.

As a Christian I hold Genesis 1:1-31 to be true. As well as the rest of God's word. Romans 10:18 etc.

 

[timtofly]

Genesis 1:1 God says when He created the heaven and earth before verse 3 of day one. Verses 26-31 God says He created man and woman on tht sixth day.

"And God said, Let us make man."

"He made the stars also."

If you claim the stars were formed on the first day, then so were the sons of God. One part of the earth. One part of the heaven.

 

[37818]

"And God said, Let us make man."

. . . So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. . . .

"He made the stars also."

If you claim the stars were formed on the first day, then so were the sons of God. One part of the earth. One part of the heaven.

No. I said no such thing. The stars are not said when they were created.
We are only told the heaven and the earth were created in the beginning Genesis 1:1. The six "days" begin verse 3.