Ironic he addresses absolutely nothing of substance thread after thread while trying to sound quite learned and scholarly. In over a year I have yet to see him address a post point by point.
I won't be holding my breath this will change now.
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I won't be holding my breath this will change now.
quantumfaith
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A very keen observation. I am reminded of a quote I saw not too long ago,
"Some people find fault, as if there is a reward for it."
Skandelon
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1. The strongest points of one's argument are not typically reflected in the portion that his opponents address, but in the portions ignored. He addressed a very small portion of that entire post reflecting his inability or unwillingness to deal with the actual arguments, which is one reason why he is on my ignore list.
2. When you quote him I have to read it. So, please don't.
3. Let's handle personal critiques of other posters via PMs rather than the public forum when possible. I think it only 'feeds' them to respond in this manner.
quantumfaith
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1. The strongest points of one's argument are not typically reflected in the portion that his opponents address, but in the portions ignored. He addressed a very small portion of that entire post reflecting his inability or unwillingness to deal with the actual arguments, which is one reason why he is on my ignore list.
2. When you quote him I have to read it. So, please don't.
3. Let's handle personal critiques of other posters via PMs rather than the public forum when possible. I think it only 'feeds' them to respond in this manner.
I did once in PM, then it ended up being aired immediately on the public forum, that is why I have done everything publicly sense that time.
But I will refrain from pointing out the obvious.
quantumfaith
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As I have said multiple times prior, I don't have a "problem" with one's position(s) rather the manner in which they characterized anyone who does not share theirs. It, for me, is not the "what" but the "how".
Being a comic might get you a Job on T.V. but I doubt it you're just not that funny.
Calvinist are the only ones I know who lean on there own logic Don't you think it about time to learn to lean on God's knowledge.
Actually Paul would have been embarassed over Calvinism's claim of his teachings.
spoken by a man with out proof of anything.
MB
Skandelon
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:thumbsup: I agree, but when someone proves HOW they are always going to act then its time to put them on the ignore list and move on... IMO.
I love discussing these doctrines with those who disagree, why else would I come back? But when someone proves to be unable or unwilling to actual debate the merits of the subject, but consistently resort to personal attacks and unfounded accusations, it doesn't do much good to continue to 'feed them.' Just my perspective.
preacher4truth
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When your argument starts upon a ludicrous basis, the rest is ignored. And rightfully so.
Here's basically your argument; 'I asked a guy about you all, and he laughed, so thus, thus, and thus are true.'
From a guy who demands everyone use scholars and himself uses subjective personal experiences as a premise.
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Here's basically your argument; 'I asked a guy about you all, and he laughed, so thus, thus, and thus are true.'
From a guy who demands everyone use scholars and himself uses subjective personal experiences as a premise.
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I am opposed to anyone disclosing Private Conversation with the public board at large.....thats both private & confidential. The board should have rules against it. Can these rules be amended in the future?
Sorry if I wasn't clear. That's exactly what i am arguing for. God Hates and loves all sinners at the same time. You could leave romans 9 out of the equation completely and still find numerous instances in psalms where god says he hates the wicked. I believe God also loves the wicked, as the verses in my previous post show.
I'm not sure what you mean by saying I have a false dichotomy. I am saying that it is incorrect to say God does not hate anyone, because the psalms say he does several times. I am also saying it is incorrect to say that God does not love everyone.
I am saying that his love is expressed salvifically to those who have recieved him, which is different from the love expressed in what we sometimes call "common grace" to all mankind. (See Matt. 5.)
Oh yes, the Jews will correctly interpret Christian doctrine when we can't. How convenient to cite Jewish fables when one cannot answer sound exegesis.
The foremost authority of Judasim in the first centuries of Christianity is Jacob Neusner. He has written books in which he outlines his arguments against the doctrines of both Christ and Paul. I have them, and have read them. There is no mistaking what Paul was saying. I expect that if your Jewish friend were examined, I would find that he takes issue with Paul, not Calvinism per se, and that he simply took the opportunity to bring Christ down further in your estimation. He must have gotten quite a buzz that one claiming to be a Christian minister has gone to him for enlightenment on a polarizing verse in the Christian Scriptures.
These national interpretations of yours are nothing new. It's the Jewish fable offered as the antithesis of the Christian preaching of the Suffering Servant of Isaiah. The Servant isn't Jesus, it's the Jewish nation.
Don't forget, the Jews believe Jesus was the illegitimate son of Mary, that He was a liar, that the works He did were by the power of Satan, that His disciples were and are heretics, that the letter you were asking him about is heretical, and that its author was justly executed for writing it.
Way to go, Scandal!
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Are you forgetting the verse cited early in this thread?
For whom the Lord loveth, He chaseneth . . .
Gotta love Paul! He just cuts through the b. s. and goes straight to the heart of the matter. We ought to have a game show, Answer that Arminian.
I can answer that Arminian, Tom, in five words . . .
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Skandelon
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He was a Messianic Jew, but nevertheless, you, like your cheerleader before you, chose to focus upon the source rather than the content of the argument proving once again that the strongest points of one's argument are not typically reflected in the portion that his opponents address, but in the portions ignored.
Thank you for proving the strength of this argument. :thumbs:
Thank you for proving the strength of this argument. :thumbs:
Messianic-schmessianic, it's still Jewish fables but worse. Now you're citing his professed faith in Christ to add credence to them!
The strength of your argument is merely the fact that he is Jewish, and we're expected to think that being steeped in the Jewish traditions somehow makes one a better interpreter of the Scriptures.
The fluffy remainder of your post has been answered numerous times. :type:
The strength of your argument is merely the fact that he is Jewish, and we're expected to think that being steeped in the Jewish traditions somehow makes one a better interpreter of the Scriptures.
The fluffy remainder of your post has been answered numerous times. :type:
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Skandelon
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Not just 'Christians,' but specifically those few who go beyond even Calvinism to suggest that God literally means "hatred" (absence of any love) for individuals.
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Skandelon
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Yeah, ok. But you take all this time to address the source of someone I happen to agree with on this particular point? SURE.
You think Paul is more loving that the God who inspired his writings, don't you? Just admit it. Paul loved the hardened Jews more than God did, didn't he?
Skandelon
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Just like parents of children who die in rebellion to God. They love their children more than God did, don't they? Do you love your children more than God loves them? I guess you won't know until you get to heaven to see if they were elect, huh? Must be strange believing in a God who is less loving and merciful than you are...or is He?
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