God help us...Chastity Bono to become a man...

[Revmitchell]

And again, why is it your business what someone else does? How does it change your life? And how would you forbid it?

It is our business when they want to impose this perverted lifestyle on innocent children in our schools and work to pass laws that allow them to use bathrooms made for the opposite sex.

Bigger government to prevent people from having surgery they want? Hardly conservative!

Pass laws against it, no. Oppose the laws they work to pass allowing for school indoctrination and other things like the use of the wrong public bathrooms, yes.

 

[Revmitchell]

So one person having cosmetic surgery will bring about the downfall of society? Wow, surprising we lasted this long! {deleted taunting smilie]

Quite the dishonest post.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

It is our business when they want to impose this perverted lifestyle on innocent children in our schools and work to pass laws that allow them to use bathrooms made for the opposite sex.

There you are back in the bathroom again. Transexuals are not any more pedophiles than heterosexuals.

Pass laws against it, no. Oppose the laws they work to pass allowing for school indoctrination and other things like the use of the wrong public bathrooms, yes.

This is not about indoctrination. It is about one person having cosmetic surgery. You seem to think that she will go to your kids school and accost them in the bathroom. How bizarre.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Quite the dishonest post.

So ya got nothin? Can't you at least debate with legitimate points of contention?

 

[Amy.G]

So one person having cosmetic surgery will bring about the downfall of society? Wow, surprising we lasted this long! :sleep:

Cosmetic surgery? She isn't having a nose job.

Do you have the same attitude about thieves, adulterers, murderers? Is it just their "personal choice"? So, no big deal?

And I don't propose we do anything about it legally, but as Christians, we are salt and light and have a responsibility to proclaim sin as sin. An apathetic attitude toward sin is not what God has and it's not what we should have.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Cosmetic surgery? She isn't having a nose job.

Do you have the same attitude about thieves, adulterers, murderers? Is it just their "personal choice"? So, no big deal?

Fallacious argument. Her surgery doesn't harm anyone else. Thieves and murderers do. One person's rights end where another's begins. There is absolutely no connection between this surgery and murder.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Such issues destroy societies

Magnetic Poles, you responded to that statement by Rev Mitchell with...

Any evidence to support this assertion?

Yes.

The United States of America.

This country has been slowly shifting from the solid foundation of Gods scriptures and Gods moral absolutes found there, to a shaky foundation that is sure to give out. Its been going on for decades, each decade worse than the last.

As a result...and it has been documented many times...we are sliding from being the a shining example of a great nation to being a cess pool of crime, violence, immorality, homosexuality approved of, situational ethics, moral relativism, hedonism, Moms killing their children because they get in the way of their "party" lifestyle, etc etc etc etc etc etc ad nauseum.

A great example is the old "school discipline" example.

Back in the 40's the main issues teachers documented where things like...

Talking in class
Passing notes
Being tardy
Not paying attention
Not doing their homework
Bullying.

etc etc

NOW the issues being documented are things like...

Drug abuse
Drug dealers selling on school grounds
Students pulling out AK47's and mowing down students
Kids flashing knives, and using them.
Gang warfare
Kids attacking teachers
On school grounds rape
Teachers drawing students into sexual relationships.

etc etc etc

It couldnd be more obvious.

 

[Amy.G]

Transexuals are not any more pedophiles than heterosexuals.

Really?

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 

[Amy.G]

Fallacious argument. Her surgery doesn't harm anyone else. Thieves and murderers do. One person's rights end where another's begins. There is absolutely no connection between this surgery and murder.

How can you possibly have such an attitude????

Does it matter to you at all that God says it is abomination?

 

[Revmitchell]

There you are back in the bathroom again. Transexuals are not any more pedophiles than heterosexuals.

How did pedophiles come into this. Men do not belong in the public bathrooms with women and visa versa. And this is relevant because it is one of the primary things they are pushing right now.

This is not about indoctrination. It is about one person having cosmetic surgery. You seem to think that she will go to your kids school and accost them in the bathroom. How bizarre.

More dishonesty from you. I said no such a thing. It is not just about one person. It is about people in general and she is just one example. She is not the only one doing this and she is part of a larger movement. But transgenders are working to get their life styles pushed in public schools. And in fact it is happening in states like California.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Magnetic Poles, you responded to that statement by Rev Mitchell with...

Many of these things also happened in the 40s, but were kept under wraps. Kids used drugs, had sex, etc.

And even if you were correct, that does not prove any cause and effect relationship.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Really?

Yes really. Look up statistics. Most pedophiles statistically are straight men.

 

[Revmitchell]

So ya got nothin? Can't you at least debate with legitimate points of contention?

It is dishonest because it is about more than one person. It is about a whole movement in the US and around the world and she is part of it. You try to limit it to one person to down play its impact. There is no honesty in doing that.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

How can you possibly have such an attitude????

Does it matter to you at all that God says it is abomination?

Where did God say sexual reassignment surgery is an abomination?

 

[Amy.G]

Does it matter to you at all that God says it is abomination?

MP, can you answer my question?


Why does anyone have that surgery unless they are gay? Why would a woman want to become a man? She wants to be with women! That is sin!

 

[Revmitchell]

Many of these things also happened in the 40s, but were kept under wraps. Kids used drugs, had sex, etc.

And it happened far less because it was considered shameful. Letting them feel accepted is not helpful to anyone.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

It is dishonest because it is about more than one person. It is about a whole movement in the US and around the world and she is part of it. You try to limit it to one person to down play its impact. There is no honesty in doing that.

Not at all. Each one of the people doing it are one case. It is not something that people are flocking to for the fun of it. It is a very small number proportionately. IT doesn't mean that you or I will be visiting our plastic surgeon because 1 or 1-million do it.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

MP, can you answer my question?


Why does anyone have that surgery unless they are gay? Why would a woman want to become a man? She wants to be with women! That is sin!

Read above your post. I am one person and cannot keep up the pace of three other posters, so chill.

 

[Amy.G]

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for s*xual sins. That should tell you enough about how God feels about it.

Your argument is with Him.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Why does anyone have that surgery unless they are gay? Why would a woman want to become a man? She wants to be with women! That is sin!

I remember one case on TV where the husband of a married couple became a woman and they stayed together. It is gender identity, not sexual orientation. Google is a good place to start research on this.