God is Completely Sovereign or in Control of EVERYTHING that happens.

[MB]

God Did Not Choose to Bring Glory to His Son and The Eternal Triune Godhead, by Preventing Adam from having The FREE WILL, and Immutability, and, therefore, no robotic activity, when Adam openly and defiantly was responsible for Transgressing God's COMMAND, to him.

Therefore, Adam was responsible for having SINNED AGAINST THE ETERNALLY HOLY GOD.

All of Adam's posterity are, then, dead in trespasses and sins, as a result of Adam doing what God Had Prophecied he would.

Adam died.

In the Day you eat thereof, you will surely die.

Adam lost the capacity to have an Interaction with The God, Who is Spirit, with The Realm of The Spirit.

Adam's soul took on The Nature of Dead, Depraved, Deceived, Carnal, Flesh, WITHOUT GOD, or THE SPIRIT of GOD.

If Adam were dead in trespasses and sin then how was He able to communicate with God immediately after he sinned?
The same with his son cane.
This prove there is no inability to hear and understand but is nothing more than Calvinist imagination

GOD WAS IN COMPLETE SOVEREIGN CONTROL OF ALL THINGS WHEN HE ALLOWED FOR HIS SON TO BE GLORIFIED, by HIS WORK OF REDEEMING LOST SOULS, WHO ALL BECAME LOST, IN ADAM.


Just as God was in Complete, Sovereign Control when His Son was crucified.

Acts 2:23;

“Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:”

King James Version (KJV)

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And 'when else' is Almighty God in Complete Sovereign Control?


Now.

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" Isaiah 46:10

God commands by the Authority of the Word of God that you BOW to God's Sovereignty.

If God is in complete control of everything now then God Him self Would be a Law breaker. By the Calvinist definition of the word Sovereign They make God a Liar
MB

 

[MB]

Being honest with Scripture is an issue.

For you I believe it is.
MB

 

[Derf B]

Lost sinners Must Be Given The Enablement of The Holy Spirit, through The New Birth, to HEAR and BELIEVE, with Saving Belief.

Ok then. “The Enablement”. Never saw that in scripture.

But it all boils down to: you have to be saved to get saved. Meaning it’s not the blood of Jesus that saves you, it’s that special sauce! And God only gives the special sauce to special people, despite God not being a respecter of persons. God must not really have “so loved the world that He gave His only Son that WHOSOEVER believeth on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” That special sauce just isn’t for whosoever, after all.

 

[Alan Gross]

This is the problem . Folks start with a philosophy on ' freewill ' or ' no freewill ' or they start with ' who moves first ' . Rather than simply reading what the bible says .

The Bible Says Adam sinned and that we sinned in Adam, because, as mutable Creations, if we had been Adam, we would hav

And your conclusion from that premise is that God is sovereign, and that He controls everything? Because a rock is dead?

And I guess Death is “very good”, since rocks were part of God’s creation before sin.

Sin brought about death.

Why else will you die?

Your premise was that 'Rocks are not dead'.

God Brings Dead bones to Life.

 

[Alan Gross]

For you I believe it is.
MB

Being honest with Scripture is an issue.

 

[Alan Gross]

Ok then. “The Enablement”. Never saw that in scripture.

But it all boils down to: you have to be saved to get saved. Meaning it’s not the blood of Jesus that saves you, it’s that special sauce! And God only gives the special sauce to special people, despite God not being a respecter of persons. God must not really have “so loved the world that He gave His only Son that WHOSOEVER believeth on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” That special sauce just isn’t for whosoever, after all.

The sinners that God Gives Saving Conviction, Repentance & Faith are the "whosoever".

That is how you know them.

God Saves a lost dead sinner and Gives them Repentance and Saving Faith to Believe.

Those Saved souls are the 'whosoever'.

Assuming 'whosoever' is an unlimited, indiscriminate, global description of 'every Human Being', is short-sighted.



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[Alan Gross]

If Adam were dead in trespasses and sin then how was He able to communicate with God immediately after he sinned?

Jesus Talked to many people who were dead Spiritually and are in Hell, Forever, today.

The Principal Determinant for one who could receive it is the Spiritual Ability to Relate to God, Who is Spirit, that was lost by Adam.

This prove there is no inability to hear and understand but is nothing more than Calvinist imagination

Physical hearing and understanding is physical hearing and understanding.

Adam was dead, Spiritually.

That is the principal determinant from which to leverage that The Bible Teaches the Spiritually Dead are Deaf & Blind to His Spiritual Reality, is that they are dead to God.

I am not a Calvinist.

Christianity didn't start in the 1600s.

You can't label Bible Doctrine, as a man's name, and say you hate that man.

It is not the man you hate..

If God is in complete control of everything now then God Him self Would be a Law breaker. By the Calvinist definition of the word Sovereign They make God a Liar
MB

I do not know of any evidence that A.) God Him self Would be a Law breaker. B.) By the Calvinist definition of the word Sovereign & C.) They make God a Liar and I do not believe any evidence exists of A.)-C.).

 

[Barry Johnson]

The Bible Says Adam sinned and that we sinned in Adam, because, as mutable Creations, if we had been Adam, we would hav
Why don't we see calvernists preaching down at the cemetery then ?


Sin brought about death.

Why else will you die?

Your premise was that 'Rocks are not dead'.

God Brings Dead bones to Life.

 

[Alan Gross]

Hello, Barry.

Did you get cut off?

You can edit(?) and add wording, or delete and start over(?)

 

[Barry Johnson]

If Adam were dead in trespasses and sin then how was He able to communicate with God immediately after he sinned?
The same with his son cane.
This prove there is no inability to hear and understand but is nothing more than Calvinist imagination


If God is in complete control of everything now then God Him self Would be a Law breaker. By the Calvinist definition of the word Sovereign They make God a Liar
MB

The issue with calvernism is that it takes a passage which sees God doing something in a particular way and extrapolates that to mean God does all things this way . Planning the crucifixion ( which by the way is the most wonderful thing to have happened not the most evil act that happened) akin to the conversation I had at the supermarket last week .

 

[Barry Johnson]

Hello, Barry.

Did you get cut off?

You can edit(?) and add wording, or delete and start over(?)

not sure . will check thank you .

 

[Barry Johnson]

The issue with calvernism is that it takes a passage which sees God doing something in a particular way and extrapolates that to mean God does all things this way . Planning the crucifixion ( which by the way is the most wonderful thing to have happened not the most evil act that happened) akin to the conversation I had at the supermarket last week .

God purposes and determines the things he said he did . I dont take that to mean determines what I had for breakfast .

 

[Barry Johnson]

God purposes and determines the things he said he did . I dont take that to mean He determines what I had for breakfast .

 

[Van]

Yet, not God's view.

I see Mormon's, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims and many others using the Bible to create a biblical view. But, their biblical view is not God's view.

Van, many people have shown you where you are in error, yet you stand your ground in opposition, believing you are solely correct and all others wrong. When you are addressed, you then claim you are a victim or that others have failed to actually address you.

Now, I know you will keep pushing and pushing because you cannot imagine you are wrong. I accept this about you. What I don't accept is that your view is somehow God's view when many people have now stood in opposition to your view.

Why repeat the falsehood, some unreferenced person in the unreferenced past has shown my view is in error. Complete fiction.
People who use fiction to support their view are false teachers.

God's is sovereign, He causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass. The Calvinist claim God predestines whatsoever comes to pass makes God the author of sin. Twaddle

 

[Barry Johnson]

If Adam were dead in trespasses and sin then how was He able to communicate with God immediately after he sinned?
The same with his son cane.
This prove there is no inability to hear and understand but is nothing more than Calvinist imagination


If God is in complete control of everything now then God Him self Would be a Law breaker. By the Calvinist definition of the word Sovereign They make God a Liar
MB

I would say God is in control and allows things to happen being in control . like a good chess player doesn't need to play both sides of the board to win .

 

[Van]

The spiritually dead are not spiritually unwell; they are spiritually dead. Have you got that?
I answered your misuse of Galatians 3:24. You have not brought up your crackpot interpretation of Matthew 23:13 on this thread (not to me, anyway). I thought you might have given up on it.

You view is absurd. You cannot be led to Christ if you are if you have total spiritual inability. Give it a rest.

 

[Barry Johnson]

I would say God is in control and allows things to happen being in control . like a good chess player doesn't need to play both sides of the board to win .

No where does the bible say that after the fall man lost the ability to positively respond to God . in fact we are expected to respond. We are response ..able.

 

[Barry Johnson]

You view is absurd. You cannot be led to Christ if you are if you have total spiritual inability. Give it a rest.

Ask the calvernist why don't they preach at the cemetery if we are as dead as a corpse?

 

[Van]

And faith is a fruit of the Holt Spirit = first saved so we can believe.

On and on the false claims fly from Calvinism. The faith God credits as righteousness exists before being placed in Christ and indwelt. The faith that comes from indwelling is not the faith through which we are saved. Again and again, Calvinist pretend ignorance of the sequence of God's work in our lives.

 

[timtofly]

Something has changed, and changed massively. I hope it has changed in you since your birth.
'Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new' (2 Corinthians 5:17).

It happened before I knew what it was like to know anything different. I do not relate to normal humans well. I did not live as Job, who only knew his redeemer until late in life.