God is Good not Evil

[AndThisGospel]

Yet God says, "I will take you, one from a city, two from a family and bring you to Zion" (Jeremiah 3:14). The Holy Spirit also says that, 'not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called........etc.' (1 Corinthians 1:26-28). Even in 1 Corinthians 6:9, God is discriminating against unrighteous people..

There's one way to heaven, through Christ. Any other method is futile. We are all unrighteous, the issue is what do we do with Jesus?

1. Accept Him as our righteousness or
2. Reject Him as our righteousness

That is the issue in Romans 9:12,16

"...not by works but by him who calls...It (salvation) does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy."

If you come to God and say, "God, you give your law and I'll keep it and in return you owe me heaven", God will say "No way! Only through My Son can you come to me."

That is the condition that God, in His Sovereignty, has made. Otherwise God will say to you, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

That's the proper context of understanding Romans chapter 9

 

[utilyan]

You do not grasp the Sovereign Lordship of God.

God can DO absolutely anything he wants. We both agree.


God can do absolutely anything he wants, except give people free will. Only you agree. Because you think its beyond God's power to grant free will.


You don't consider what omnipotent entails. In fact you have God transcend right and wrong because again your convinced its beyond God's power to accomplish actual GOOD and actual righteousness.

Your theology comes from a rejected Catholic Calvin. We gave him an "F". He got all his ideas from twisted view of Augustine. He was untaught, unstable unqualified for scriptures.


2 peter 3
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Yeshua1]

God's wrath is passive....Is that weak? You want a god, like the god of this world. Perhaps you are getting them confused?

Jesus sue seemed to have experienced real tormant and pain, correct?

 

[AndThisGospel]

Jesus sure seemed to have experienced real torment and pain, correct?

Yes, from the Romans, not God....

 

[Yeshua1]

John 2:15.
You might also consider Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 14:15 & 19:15.
'And [they] said to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb"' (Revelation 6:16).

It is true that God is love, but that is not all He is. He is Holy, which means He can have no fellowship with sin. He is also Just, which means that He must punish sin. Praise God for the Lord Jesus Christ, and for Particular Redemption and Irresistible Grace without which no one could ever be saved!

Think Sodom and Gommorah knew about he wrath of God first hand!

 

[Yeshua1]

You say that God's grace is "irresistible", yet the Bible states some will be lost. Since the foundation you have constructed is faulty, then you have to generate another lie that states because some will be lost God didn't actually redeem the human race "in Christ", but only the "elect" - a special group that God loves, while loathing all others. This heresy is called "limited atonement", but Paul would call it "another gospel".

Why do you seek to claim the mind of God concerning how he feels about the lost?
Is henot aloed to have whtever emotions that He wants?

 

[Yeshua1]

There's one way to heaven, through Christ. Any other method is futile. We are all unrighteous, the issue is what do we do with Jesus?

1. Accept Him as our righteousness or
2. Reject Him as our righteousness

That is the issue in Romans 9:12,16

"...not by works but by him who calls...It (salvation) does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy."

If you come to God and say, "God, you give your law and I'll keep it and in return you owe me heaven", God will say "No way! Only through My Son can you come to me."

That is the condition that God, in His Sovereignty, has made. Otherwise God will say to you, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

That's the proper context of understanding Romans chapter 9

Some he chooses for His glory for salvation, others as his vessals of wrath, correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

God can DO absolutely anything he wants. We both agree.


God can do absolutely anything he wants, except give people free will. Only you agree. Because you think its beyond God's power to grant free will.


You don't consider what omnipotent entails. In fact you have God transcend right and wrong because again your convinced its beyond God's power to accomplish actual GOOD and actual righteousness.

Your theology comes from a rejected Catholic Calvin. We gave him an "F". He got all his ideas from twisted view of Augustine. He was untaught, unstable unqualified for scriptures.


2 peter 3
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

God cannot give real and total free ill, as he alone is sovereign over all!

 

[Martin Marprelate]

There's one way to heaven, through Christ. Any other method is futile. We are all unrighteous, the issue is what do we do with Jesus?

1. Accept Him as our righteousness or
2. Reject Him as our righteousness

That is the issue in Romans 9:12,16

"...not by works but by him who calls...It (salvation) does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy."

If you come to God and say, "God, you give your law and I'll keep it and in return you owe me heaven", God will say "No way! Only through My Son can you come to me."

That is the condition that God, in His Sovereignty, has made. Otherwise God will say to you, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

That's the proper context of understanding Romans chapter 9

In my post, which you quoted, I gave no fewer than seven Scriptures. I note that you have addressed none of them, but brought up one of your own. But never mind.

Your interpretation of Romans 9 is a non sequitur. If God says, "Only through My Son can you come to Me," then on all others God does not have compassion.. The fact is that 'Salvation belongs to our God' (Revelation 7:10), then it is entirely within His gift, and 'Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens' (Romans 9:18). I understand that You and Utilyan do not like this, but Paul answers you both in Romans 9:19-26.

 

[Yeshua1]

In my post, which you quoted, I gave no fewer than seven Scriptures. I note that you have addressed none of them, but brought up one of your own. But never mind.

Your interpretation of Romans 9 is a non sequitur. If God says, "Only through My Son can you come to Me," then on all others God does not have compassion.. The fact is that 'Salvation belongs to our God' (Revelation 7:10), then it is entirely within His gift, and 'Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He pardons' (Romans 9:18). I understand that You and Utilyan do not like this, but Paul answers you both in Romans 9:19-26.

We are subject to God, not Him to us!

 

[MennoSota]

Sure I do...but God doesn't force men to receive salvation. That's compulsion and partiality and that comes from Satan's camp, not God's.

Humans naturally run from God. If God does not do the work of reconciliation then no human would ever know the love of God.

You flatter yourself in imagining that you willfully chose God. You didn't. You had to be drawn, kicking and screaming at the horror of standing before a holy God as a disgustingly vile human wretch. (Read the first stanza of Amazing Grace sometime. Newton was a Calvinist.)

No, God is never evil when he grabs you and drags you into his presence. The fact that you think that is appalling and points toward you misunderstanding grace.

 

[MennoSota]

No Sir, you are teaching universalism because you insist that when God's draws men to Himself that this grace is irresistible.

" And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

LOL, this is a funny twist whereby you state that believing God sovereignly chooses his children is therefore equal to universalism. Clearly you are ignorant regarding universalism.

Question: Does the passage you quote say that God will redeem all people and reconcile all people?

 

[Yeshua1]

Humans naturally run from God. If God does not do the work of reconciliation then no human would ever know the love of God.

You flatter yourself in imagining that you willfully chose God. You didn't. You had to be drawn, kicking and screaming at the horror of standing before a holy God as a disgustingly vile human wretch. (Read the first stanza of Amazing Grace sometime. Newton was a Calvinist.)

No, God is never evil when he grabs you and drags you into his presence. The fact that you think that is appalling and points toward you misunderstanding grace.

It is amazing how human pride affects how we view the salvation process!

 

[MennoSota]

There's one way to heaven, through Christ. Any other method is futile. We are all unrighteous, the issue is what do we do with Jesus?

1. Accept Him as our righteousness or
2. Reject Him as our righteousness

That is the issue in Romans 9:12,16

"...not by works but by him who calls...It (salvation) does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy."

If you come to God and say, "God, you give your law and I'll keep it and in return you owe me heaven", God will say "No way! Only through My Son can you come to me."

That is the condition that God, in His Sovereignty, has made. Otherwise God will say to you, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

That's the proper context of understanding Romans chapter 9

Where do you find this term "accept Christ?" I have been waiting for a bible passage from you.

In our unrighteousness we flee God's presence. Everytime, given our own will, we will flee from the presence of God.

 

[MennoSota]

God can DO absolutely anything he wants. We both agree.


God can do absolutely anything he wants, except give people free will. Only you agree. Because you think its beyond God's power to grant free will.


You don't consider what omnipotent entails. In fact you have God transcend right and wrong because again your convinced its beyond God's power to accomplish actual GOOD and actual righteousness.

Your theology comes from a rejected Catholic Calvin. We gave him an "F". He got all his ideas from twisted view of Augustine. He was untaught, unstable unqualified for scriptures.


2 peter 3
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

God has given us the freedom to pick what clothes to wear and what we wish to eat, etc.

God must do the work of reconciliation because we are...rebels and in constant rebellion to God. We will always flee from the holiness of God. God must choose to redeem us. We cannot redeem ourselves.

I have provided passage after passage and you reject God's word.

 

[MennoSota]

Yes, from the Romans, not God....

LOL, your God is so weak that He cannot stop puny humans from their actions. In your world the Roman army was more powerful than the creator of the universe.

Shake my head, how can you worship such a weak god?

 

[MennoSota]

In my post, which you quoted, I gave no fewer than seven Scriptures. I note that you have addressed none of them, but brought up one of your own. But never mind.

Your interpretation of Romans 9 is a non sequitur. If God says, "Only through My Son can you come to Me," then on all others God does not have compassion.. The fact is that 'Salvation belongs to our God' (Revelation 7:10), then it is entirely within His gift, and 'Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He pardons' (Romans 9:18). I understand that You and Utilyan do not like this, but Paul answers you both in Romans 9:19-26.

Very well stated.

 

[Yeshua1]

Where do you find this term "accept Christ?" I have been waiting for a bible passage from you.

In our unrighteousness we flee God's presence. Everytime, given our own will, we will flee from the presence of God.

Probable same passage tha supports accepting Jesus into your heart!

 

[AndThisGospel]

Where do you find this term "accept Christ?" I have been waiting for a bible passage from you...

I've already explained...You aren't interested because it doesn't fit in with your theology....We are just going in circles.

 

[AndThisGospel]

LOL, your God is so weak that He cannot stop puny humans from their actions.....

What did Jesus say to Pilate? "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above."

In other words God did not intervene.

The cross exposed Satan's hatred for God.