God Knows The Future

[Van]

So you do not like the definition of the term that I posted?

Inherent
Existing as an essential constituent or characteristic; intrinsic.

So does adding the word inherent add anything to the meaning of Omniscience? You are sounding more and more like a calvinist all the time Van.

What a waste of time. Any sandbox bully can say 2 + 2 does not equal 4. You are advocating Calvinism's false doctrine of exhaustive determinism, even if you say taint so.

 

[Silverhair]

What a waste of time. Any sandbox bully can say 2 + 2 does not equal 4. You are advocating Calvinism's false doctrine of exhaustive determinism, even if you say taint so.

Van you just continue to prove that you really do not understand the English language.

As many of the calvinists on here have said you seem to run to your own style of theology. You twist scripture and and add your own meaning to words like calvinists do so it seems that you are in fact a closet calvinist.

You do not even accept what the dictionary say the meaning of Omniscience is. Sad really really sad.

I do not have the time nor patience to deal with foolish people so I will leave you to live in your echo chamber,

 

[Van]

Van you just continue to prove that you really do not understand the English language.

As many of the calvinists on here have said you seem to run to your own style of theology. You twist scripture and and add your own meaning to words like calvinists do so it seems that you are in fact a closet calvinist.

You do not even accept what the dictionary say the meaning of Omniscience is. Sad really really sad.

I do not have the time nor patience to deal with foolish people so I will leave you to live in your echo chamber,

Once again a totally "against the man" argument, devoid of any biblical support. Again, the charge is "I twist scripture" rather than address the widely held modern understand of omniscience.

Your bogus and unbiblical view claims God always knows everything imaginable, and ignores verse after verse indicating God can choose not to know everything imaginable, such as the time of His return, or whether Abraham would be willing to slay his son.

 

[Silverhair]

Once again a totally "against the man" argument, devoid of any biblical support. Again, the charge is "I twist scripture" rather than address the widely held modern understand of omniscience.

Your bogus and unbiblical view claims God always knows everything imaginable, and ignores verse after verse indicating God can choose not to know everything imaginable, such as the time of His return, or whether Abraham would be willing to slay his son.

To say that God did/does not know indicates that He is not omniscient which as you seem not to understand is an attribute of God. So you are in effect saying that God is not God. Good move there Van.

 

[Van]

To say that God did/does not know indicates that He is not omniscient which as you seem not to understand is an attribute of God. So you are in effect saying that God is not God. Good move there Van.

If you think omniscience only means your bogus view, you have another think coming.
All these false claims (i.e. God is not God if He does not remember our forgiven sins) is nonsense.

 

[Silverhair]

If you think omniscience only means your bogus view, you have another think coming.
All these false claims (i.e. God is not God if He does not remember our forgiven sins) is nonsense.

Van you are trying to force others to accept your meaning of omniscience. Is that not what you accuse calvinist's of doing and here you have fallen into the same camp.

 

[Van]

Van you are trying to force others to accept your meaning of omniscience. Is that not what you accuse calvinist's of doing and here you have fallen into the same camp.

Yet another post addressing claimed poor behavior on my part and running for biblical truth.

All these false claims (i.e. God is not God if He does not remember our forgiven sins) is nonsense.

The effort is to try to convince others of biblical doctrine rather than holding the mistaken doctrines of the dark ages.

The bible says God's knowledge is beyond our understanding or ability to measure. True
The Bible says God will remember no more our forgiven sins. True
God the Son did not know the time of His return. True
God said "now I know" when Abraham drew back his knife to slay his son. True

Any doctrine that does not encompass all these biblical truths is unstudied biblical nonsense.

 

[Van]

Gen 22:12
He said, “Do not reach out your hand against the boy, and do not do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”

 

[Van]

Heb 5:8
Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.

I do not think this verse says Jesus did not know to be obedient to His Heavenly Father's will, until He suffered. Rather I think Jesus learned the price in His fleshly suffering and pain, for obedience even unto death.

 

[Van]

Gal 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles, to which you want to be enslaved all over again?

Here is a verse some might use to bolster the evidence God sometimes acquires knowledge, but contextually I think the actual idea here is for God to establish an intimate relationship with those of His choosing.

 

[Silverhair]

Yet another post addressing claimed poor behavior on my part and running for biblical truth.

All these false claims (i.e. God is not God if He does not remember our forgiven sins) is nonsense.

The effort is to try to convince others of biblical doctrine rather than holding the mistaken doctrines of the dark ages.

The bible says God's knowledge is beyond our understanding or ability to measure. True
The Bible says God will remember no more our forgiven sins. True
God the Son did not know the time of His return. True
God said "now I know" when Abraham drew back his knife to slay his son. True

Any doctrine that does not encompass all these biblical truths is unstudied biblical nonsense.

Van I am pointing the fact that you do not accept the meaning of Omniscience. You want us to accept your altered version. So if you want to refer to your comments as poor behavior on my part and running for biblical truth then so be it.

You can not change the meaning of words to suit your view.

 

[Van]

Van I am pointing the fact that you do not accept the meaning of Omniscience. You want us to accept your altered version. So if you want to refer to your comments as poor behavior on my part and running for biblical truth then so be it.

You can not change the meaning of words to suit your view.

Folks, note this poster is addressing me and claiming I created the biblical definition of omniscience. Nonsense.
All these false claims (i.e. God is not God if He does not remember our forgiven sins) is nonsense.

The bible says God's knowledge is beyond our understanding or ability to measure. True (Psalms 147:5)
The Bible says God will remember no more our forgiven sins. True (Jeremiah 31:34)
God the Son did not know the time of His return. True (Matthew 24:36)
God said "now I know" when Abraham drew back his knife to slay his son. True (Genesis 22:12)

Any doctrine that does not encompass all these biblical truths is unstudied biblical nonsense.

 

[Silverhair]

Folks, note this poster is addressing me and claiming I created the biblical definition of omniscience. Nonsense.
All these false claims (i.e. God is not God if He does not remember our forgiven sins) is nonsense.

The bible says God's knowledge is beyond our understanding or ability to measure. True (Psalms 147:5)
The Bible says God will remember no more our forgiven sins. True (Jeremiah 31:34)
God the Son did not know the time of His return. True (Matthew 24:36)
God said "now I know" when Abraham drew back his knife to slay his son. True (Genesis 22:12)

Any doctrine that does not encompass all these biblical truths is unstudied biblical nonsense.

Van get over yourself. Not everything that is posted is about you. Do you suffer from a persecution complex?

Adding your special meaning to Omniscience does not alter the actual meaning.

Do you actually believe that God is Omniscient?

 

[Van]

Van get over yourself. Not everything that is posted is about you. Do you suffer from a persecution complex?

Adding your special meaning to Omniscience does not alter the actual meaning.

Do you actually believe that God is Omniscient?

Once again, the poster clings to argumentation by fallacy to defend the indefensible.

Some modern Christian theologians argue that God’s omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures. John Calvin, among other theologians of the 16th century, comfortable with the definition of God as being omniscient in the total sense, in order for worthy beings’ abilities to choose freely, embraced the doctrine of predestination.​

The bible says God's knowledge is beyond our understanding or ability to measure. True (Psalms 147:5)
The Bible says God will remember no more our forgiven sins. True (Jeremiah 31:34)
God the Son did not know the time of His return. True (Matthew 24:36)
God said "now I know" when Abraham drew back his knife to slay his son. True (Genesis 22:12)

Any doctrine that does not encompass all these biblical truths is unstudied biblical nonsense.

 

[Silverhair]

Once again, the poster clings to argumentation by fallacy to defend the indefensible.

Some modern Christian theologians argue that God’s omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures. John Calvin, among other theologians of the 16th century, comfortable with the definition of God as being omniscient in the total sense, in order for worthy beings’ abilities to choose freely, embraced the doctrine of predestination.​

The bible says God's knowledge is beyond our understanding or ability to measure. True (Psalms 147:5)
The Bible says God will remember no more our forgiven sins. True (Jeremiah 31:34)
God the Son did not know the time of His return. True (Matthew 24:36)
God said "now I know" when Abraham drew back his knife to slay his son. True (Genesis 22:12)

Any doctrine that does not encompass all these biblical truths is unstudied biblical nonsense.

You did not answer the question VAN. Do you actually believe that God is Omniscient? Do you know what it means for God to be Omniscient?

I do and I do not need to add words to it or change it's meaning as you are want to do.

I think you need to do some more study before you question other's. It seems by your responses to the verses that you have quoted that you are actually questioning the Omniscience of God.

 

[Van]

You did not answer the question VAN. Do you actually believe that God is Omniscient? Do you know what it means for God to be Omniscient?

I do and I do not need to add words to it or change it's meaning as you are want to do.

I think you need to do some more study before you question other's. It seems by your responses to the verses that you have quoted that you are actually questioning the Omniscience of God.

Note the effort to change the subject from the widely held "Inherent Omniscience" doctrine.

There is a distinction between:

• inherent omniscience the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known

and

• total omniscience actually knowing everything that can be known.

Some modern theologians argue that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures. Certain theologians of the sixteenth century, comfortable with the definition of God as being omniscient in the total sense, chose to rebuke created beings' ability to choose freely, and so embraced the doctrine of predestination.​

The bible says God's knowledge is beyond our understanding or ability to measure. True (Psalms 147:5)
The Bible says God will remember no more our forgiven sins. True (Jeremiah 31:34)
God the Son did not know the time of His return. True (Matthew 24:36)
God said "now I know" when Abraham drew back his knife to slay his son. True (Genesis 22:12)

Any doctrine that does not encompass all these biblical truths is unstudied biblical nonsense.

 

[Silverhair]

Note the effort to change the subject from the widely held "Inherent Omniscience" doctrine.

There is a distinction between:

• inherent omniscience the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known

and

• total omniscience actually knowing everything that can be known.

Some modern theologians argue that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures. Certain theologians of the sixteenth century, comfortable with the definition of God as being omniscient in the total sense, chose to rebuke created beings' ability to choose freely, and so embraced the doctrine of predestination.​

The bible says God's knowledge is beyond our understanding or ability to measure. True (Psalms 147:5)
The Bible says God will remember no more our forgiven sins. True (Jeremiah 31:34)
God the Son did not know the time of His return. True (Matthew 24:36)
God said "now I know" when Abraham drew back his knife to slay his son. True (Genesis 22:12)

Any doctrine that does not encompass all these biblical truths is unstudied biblical nonsense.

I do not care if it a widely held idea. I trust what the bible tells me of God's omniscience. You seem to have a problem with anyone that does not fall into line with your stated views. That is your problem not mine.Your the one that has moved from the biblical understanding so you have to deal with it.

 

[Van]

I do not care if it a widely held idea. I trust what the bible tells me of God's omniscience. You seem to have a problem with anyone that does not fall into line with your stated views. That is your problem not mine.Your the one that has moved from the biblical understanding so you have to deal with it.

LOL, the bible did not tell you what omniscience means. Your view has absolutely no support. I have cited verse after verse indicating God knows only what He chooses to know and can choose not to know whatever He chooses not to know.

 

[Silverhair]

LOL, the bible did not tell you what omniscience means. Your view has absolutely no support. I have cited verse after verse indicating God knows only what He chooses to know and can choose not to know whatever He chooses not to know.

Just as the bible does not tell me what the Trinity is. Van you are beyond hope. You live in your own little world.

Perhaps more study will help you understand the biblical text but I doubt that it will help.

Being a closet calvinist you just read into the text what you need to find.

 

[Van]

Just as the bible does not tell me what the Trinity is. Van you are beyond hope. You live in your own little world.
Perhaps more study will help you understand the biblical text but I doubt that it will help.
Being a closet calvinist you just read into the text what you need to find.

Note the effort to change the subject from the widely held "Inherent Omniscience" doctrine.

There is a distinction between:

• inherent omniscience the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known

and

• total omniscience actually knowing everything that can be known.

Some modern theologians argue that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures. Certain theologians of the sixteenth century, comfortable with the definition of God as being omniscient in the total sense, chose to rebuke created beings' ability to choose freely, and so embraced the doctrine of predestination.
The bible says God's knowledge is beyond our understanding or ability to measure. True (Psalms 147:5)
The Bible says God will remember no more our forgiven sins. True (Jeremiah 31:34)
God the Son did not know the time of His return. True (Matthew 24:36)
God said "now I know" when Abraham drew back his knife to slay his son. True (Genesis 22:12)

Any doctrine that does not encompass all these biblical truths is unstudied biblical nonsense.