God wants all men to be saved

[Wesley Briggman]

"εὑμᾶς", which is supported by the following textual evidence:

"p72 B C P 048vid 056 0142 0156 81 88 181 322 323 326 945 1175 1241 1243 1735 1739 1877 1881 2127 2298 2344 al l592 l921 l1154 l1441 copbo arm geo WH NR CEI Riv TILC Nv NM A Ψ 33 436 614 630 1067 1292 1409 1505 1611 1852 2412 2464 2495 pc itar itc itdem itdiv itm itp itt itz vg syrph syrh copsa copbo(mss) eth Pelagius Augustine FastidiusSpeculum Fulgentius"

For "us" , which is very late in date

"ἡμᾶς] K L 049 104 330 451 629 2492 Byz Lect (l1178 omit εἰς) slav Ps-Oecumenius Theophylact ς ND Dio"

Wow!! I am impressed but not edified. I will stay with the King James and Strong's Concordance.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

"εὑμᾶς", which is supported by the following textual evidence:

"p72 B C P 048vid 056 0142 0156 81 88 181 322 323 326 945 1175 1241 1243 1735 1739 1877 1881 2127 2298 2344 al l592 l921 l1154 l1441 copbo arm geo WH NR CEI Riv TILC Nv NM A Ψ 33 436 614 630 1067 1292 1409 1505 1611 1852 2412 2464 2495 pc itar itc itdem itdiv itm itp itt itz vg syrph syrh copsa copbo(mss) eth Pelagius Augustine FastidiusSpeculum Fulgentius"

For "us" , which is very late in date

"ἡμᾶς] K L 049 104 330 451 629 2492 Byz Lect (l1178 omit εἰς) slav Ps-Oecumenius Theophylact ς ND Dio"

Nevertheless, the majority of the Greek texts have 'ἡμᾶς. The little Byz tells you that.
However, it makes no difference to the meaning of the verse. Whether it's 'ἡμᾶς or ὑμᾶς, Peter is still addressing the same people-- 'Those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ' (2 Peter 1:1). That is to whom he is writing the letter. He is certainly not addressing the 'scoffers.' The difference is that if he wrote 'ἡμᾶς, he was associating himself with those people; if he didn't, he wasn't.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Here we go... Then what about the fact, that in Luke chapter 22, the Lord Jesus tells Judas, as He does the other 11, "this is my blood, shed for YOU"? John Gill, Matthew Henry and the Greek scholar, A T Robertson agree that Judas did actually take part in the Lord's Supper. If Jesus' death were not for those lost in hell, like Judas, then surely He would have waited for Judas to have left the room, and then spoke these words! The fact of Jesus' timing, to INCLUDE Judas, can be without any doubt to show that He died for "everyone without exception", a phrase John Calvin uses on John 3:16!

I don't think this is the natural reading of the text.
"This cup is the new covenant in My blood which is shed for you. But behold, the hand of My betrayer with me on the table........' Our Lord speaks of Judas in the Third Person; therefore the 'you' is addressed to the other apostles. It rather seems from comparing the accounts in Matthew, Mark and especially John, that Judas left before the institution of the Supper.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I will add here, Ephesians 1:4 reads, "For He chose us in Him, before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless in His sight. In love", which says nothing of God's "electing to salvation", but Paul saying that we as Christians must "be holy and blameless" in God's sight. "He chose us...to be holy and blameless". In Titus 1:1-2, it says, "Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness, in hope of eternal life, which God, who never lies, promised before the ages began". Again, nothing here to suggest anything about "electing to salvation"? These views are forcing what the passages actually teaches!

I'm afraid it is your view that is forcing the text. We were chosen 'in Christ' before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless. That is, we were predestined to be dressed in His perfect obedience and righteousness. If we could be holy and blameless by our own efforts, Christ died for nothing!

But also, verse 5 continues, 'having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.' The 'us' refers specifically to Paul and the 'saints who are in Ephesus and faithful in Christ Jesus' (1:1) and by extension to all Christians. We have been predestined as sons. We can hardly be that unless we have been predestined for salvation..

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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